The Space Show
The Space Show
The Space Show focuses on timely and important issues influencing the development of outer-space commerce, space tourism,space exploration and space development. The Space Show is committed to facilitating our becoming a space-faring nation and society with a growing and self-sustaining space-faring economy. The Space Show also focuses on other related subjects of interest to us all.
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Heather Archuletta, Tuesday, 1-8-13 (54.05MB; download) -- Guest: Heather Archuletta. Topics: NASA bed rest and simulation studies. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Heather Archuletta to the program to discuss her first hand experiences with three NASA bed rest studies plus her recruitment work for new NASA study applicants. Heather is known as the Pillow Astronaut. Check out her website at www.pillownaut.com and her blog at http://pillownaut.blogspot.com.THE BALANCE OF THIS SUMMARY IS TOO LONG FOR GIGADIAL SO TO SEE IT, PLEASE VISIT EITHER WWW.THESPACESHOW.COM OR HTTP://THESPACESHOW.WORDPRESS.COM. THANK YOU. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:50:05 UTC
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Dr. Eligar Sadeh, Monday, 1-7-13 (52.36MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Eligar Sadeh. Topics: Space policy & strategy for 2013, Dr. Sadeh's new book, and more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed back Dr. Eligar Sadeh to discuss his new book, "Space Strategy in the 21st Century: Theory and policy," as well as space policy and strategy for 2013 and beyond. If you purchase his book from Amazon using this special URL, Amazon will contribute to The Space Show: www.amazon.com/Space-Strategy-21st-Century-Politics/dp/0415622115/ref=onegiantlea20. Dr. Sadeh also talked about the recent SWF sponsored Panel Discussion on Space Policy Challenges Facing the Second Obama Administration as he was a participant in these discussions. Dr. Sadeh started out with a space industry overview, noting that while there are plans and policies, there are no strategies for implementing plans and policies. We talked about commercial space and our guest made a point throughout the entire discussion that after decades, not only was there little or no strategy, but that commercial space was still in need of government subsidies. At one point I pushed Eligar for when he thought the turning point might come for the commercial space sectors so don't miss his answer. We talked about the launch industry, the issue of launch costs, and heard our guest say that only the entrepreneurial sector was completely focused on lowering costs. Other sectors valued routine and reliable scheduling plus a very high launch reliability over lowering costs. Over and over Eligar cited the telecommunications industry as the one commercial market now able to stand on its own in a market driven sector. Other issues talked about with the listeners were GPS, Remote Sensing, Value Propositions of Space, civil space, DOD & National Security space, the U.S. economy, NASA, space agency budgets, and more. In our second segment, Doug and I pressured Dr. Sadeh to tell us what his ideal space strategy would be were he the top dog in space. With some pushing, Eligar did outline a pathway to a quality national space strategy and said what he thought that strategy should contain. He also mentioned another small segment interested in lower launch costs, Operationally Responsive Space (ORS). Later in the segment, I asked for his 2013 scenario for space and he said it would be about the same as 2012, mostly for economic reasons. Later Doug called & we talked about public/private partnerships with Doug. As we were ending, we talked about the journal ASTROPOLITICS as Eligar is the editor of it. We also briefly hit upon space governance, and making space sustainable which represented his closing comments. As promised, I will post on the blog the public/private partnership paper Eligar and I wrote several years ago. Eligar also asked that I post the Table of Contents of his new book posted on the blog so you will find that there as well. Post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. You can email Dr. Sadeh at esadeh@gmail.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:48:02 UTC
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Lt. Col. Paul Damphousse, NSS, Sunday, 1-6-13 (45.71MB; download) -- Guest: Lt. Col. Paul Damphousse. Topics: National Space Society and the upcoming ISDC Conference. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed back to the program Lt. Col. Paul Damphousse, Executive Director for the National Space Society (NSS). You can follow along with us by visiting the NSS website, www.nss.org and the ISDC website, http://isdc.nss.org/2013. We started our discussion with Lt. Col. Damphousse providing us with a brief overview of NSS followed by a short summary of ISDC 2012 highlights leading into this year's ISDC which will be in May in San Diego, CA. In talking about this year's ISDC, he mentioned special tours including the San Diego Air & Space Museum and the Mt. Palomar Observatory. For dates, registration, hotel information, visit the ISDC website above. We talked about NSS goals, objectives, and purposes. This included a focus on space settlement, inspirational space programs, and STEM educational outreach. Listeners asked Paul about the 2013 Legislative Blitz, the Space Exploration Alliance, the NSS Leadership Team, and becoming a Space Ambassador. Several times during our discussion, Paul suggested listeners with questions send them to NSS at nsshq@nss.org. Reference this Space Show program and you will be directed to the person or department that can best respond to your needs. Another question for Paul asked about the space advocacy community being too diverse and ineffective. Paul had much to say about this as did several listeners who commented on these two issues. In the second part of the program, Doug called in to talk about the NSS Roadmap which is on their website. The Roadmap is just that, a set of pathways to developing and opening up space segments, industries, and niches. I strongly suggest you check out the NSS Roadmap on their website. Paul also told us about an upcoming NSS Kickstarter program to finance a short, inspirational movie on the benefits of both exploring and settling space. Watch their website for announcements about the program going live. Toward the end, Paul talked about ITAR reform, the renewal for one year of the launch indemnification for the commercial sector, and the Space Exploration Sustainability Act, all as examples of effective space advocacy organization work. We then briefly talked about LEO no longer being a frontier and ready for commercial exploitation while BLEO was the frontier for NASA and its focus. Please post questions/comments on The Space Show blog above. You can email Paul Damphousse through me or the NSS email address listed above. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:15:38 UTC
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Dr. Richard Obousy, Dr. Eric Davis, Dr. Harold Sonny White, Friday, 1-4-13 (49.37MB; download) -- Guests: Dr. Richard Obousy, Dr. Eric Davis, Dr. Harold Sonny White. Topics: Faster Than Light (FTL) Travel, Warp Drive, Interstellar Travel. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed our three guests, Drs. Obousy, Davis, and White to the program to discuss FTL travel, warp drive, and interstellar flight. More information is available at the Icarus Interstellar website, www.icarusinterstellar.org. We did not take a break during our program. Also, at times our discussion was technical and scientific. I looked up many terms & used my search engine frequently during the discussion given the advanced nature of the subject and our discussion. Don't be shy about looking up that which you may not understand or know about. I promise, if you do it will be well worth your time. We started with an introduction to Icarus Interstellar, FTL travel, and why interstellar propulsion & travel is important. Our guests then suggested the two most common approaches to FTL travel included warp drive and worm holes. For most of the program, we focused on the characteristics and research around warp drive. Our guests explained their research, including how they were able to develop the theories that reduced the amount of energy needed for warp drive from Jupiter size energy requirements to energy requirements representing the approximate mass of Voyager 1. Our discussion addressed the Miguel Alcubierre warp drive in light of the advanced work by Dr. White and others. The concept of the McMonigal Fatal Flaw was addressed with our guests explaining why it was not applicable. The workings of the warp drive were explained and though the discussion was heavy in physics, I urge you to take the time and embrace & learn about the advanced theoretical physics subjects discussed by our guests. Later, a listener asked about the use of a sun gravitational lens telescope at a specific AU from the sun as perhaps an alternative to interstellar flight. As you will hear, such a device would likely be a good tool enhancing FTL travel, not replacing it. As our discussion progressed, or guests rebutted many of the warp drive criticisms. Near the end of the program, we talked about what was needed to go from the lab and theory to small scale demo experiments to prove out the concepts. Our guests referenced to the Chicago Pile-1(CP-1) 1942 nuclear experiment & the subsequent step by step evolution of nuclear technology. Our guests talked about starting small with a demo proof and evolving upwards with more and more discovery, technology, and engineering. Another example cited for the typical development path included the discovery of the electron in 1897 followed by the discovery of the proton in 1917, and the discovery of the neutron in 1932. Throughout our discussion, our guests put forth compelling reasons why we should be developing FTL travel and interstellar spaceflight. Their respective concluding comments reinforced the importance and why of our being interested in FTL and exotic concepts. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog per above. If you want to email our guests, you can do so through me. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:59:36 UTC
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The John Batchelor Show "Hotel Mars," Wednesday, 1-2-13 (5.90MB; download) -- Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. David Livingston: Topics: Our discussion is an overview of current and planned 2013 NASA planetary missions. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11 minute plus discussion, John and I provided a short overview of current, operating NASA planetary and science missions plus missions planned for 2013. We also mentioned a few ESA missions and talked about a future Europa mission. Please post any comments/questions you might have on The Space Show blog. You can contact Mr. Batchelor through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:17:56 UTC
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Tom Olson, Monday, 12-31-12 (55.73MB; download) -- Guest: Tom Olson. Topics: The year 2012 is reviewed from the space perspective and we look forward to space development in 2013. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed back Tom Olson for his annual Space Show year in review analysis with a look forward to 2013 for space development. We started our discussion by remembering those in our space community that are no longer with us. We specifically mentioned three dear friends though we know that others have also left us. Our program was dedicated to Neil Armstrong, Jesco von Puttkamer, and Reda Anderson. We certainly miss our friends but space development marches on like everything else in life. A few of the early issues Tom brought up in the 2012 annual overview of space included the Falcon 9 launches and Dragon missions. He also talked about ISDC and birthing of Dragon during the keynote by NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden. While on the subject of SpaceX and its mission to the ISS, Paul sent in a question asking if SpaceX dropping out of the Stratolauncher project indicated that perhaps they had "bitten off more than they could chew." Tom and I have no inside information about SpaceX and Stratolaunch but we both thought that Paul's comment was reasonable as SpaceX is certainly busy enough with game changing projects & technology. TO READ THE REST OF THIS SUMMARY, PLEAES REFER TO THE ARCHIVES ON WWW.THESPACESHOW.COM OR THE SPACE SHOW BLOG, HTTP://THESPACESHOW.WORDPRESS.COM. THE SUMMARY IS TOO LONG FOR THE SPACE ALLOWED ON THS PAGE. A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND SUPPORTING THE SPACE SHOW. FOR MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT DRSPACE@THESPACESHOW.COM. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:24:52 UTC
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Hoyt Davidson, Sunday, 12-30-12 (47.41MB; download) -- Guest: Hoyt Davidson. Topics: Commercial space financing, markets, and risks. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Hoyt Davidson to the program to discuss commercial space from the perspective of markets and financing. Mr. Davidson, founder and managing Partner of near Earth LLC (www.nearearthllc.com) shared with us his expertise and experience in a very instructive discussion on these important topics. While much of the focus was on the commercial satellite industry, the applications apply across the board in the commercial space industry. One of the topics we discussed in great detail was market risk. In fact, our gust suggested market risk was a bigger challenge and more of a possible road block than technical or regulatory risks. Mr. Davidson also said what many others in the commercial space arena say and that is that the companies prefer to see themselves within their overall general industry such as media and communications rather than as a space company. We talked about several popularly touted possible commercial space industries from a market perspective, the length of time needed for a return on investment, and what is referred to as Death Valley for space entrepreneurs. Death Valley refers to an opportunity being too large for an angel investor but too small for venture capital. In talking about market risks, we also talked about getting investor partners to strengthen the deal. XM Radio was cited as an example. The pursuit of market research was discussed, both from the perspective of using a market research company and doing the market research in-house. Other potential commercial space industries were examined including space tourism, citizen science for orbital with cubesats as well as suborbital, space solar power, satellite internet services, and the use of public/private partnerships. In our second segment, a listener wanted to know about space focused investment banking career opportunities for MBA graduates. Next, we talked at length about public/private partnerships and being "pure" regarding what constitutes a commercial space company. In this context, pure refers to not having a mix of government and private capital, instead being 100% private. SpaceX with Cots and Commercial Crew served as one of our company examples but we also noted that no such 100% pure private company was out there given the costs and challenges of space ventures. Listeners asked about private capital financing for NASA science missions such as a Europa mission. Other listeners wanted to know about commercial opportunities for human spaceflight. Here, our guest suggested the opportunities were more with the robotic missions that come before the human missions. Toward the end, a listener asked how higher tax rates might impact risky commercial space investments. We also talked about geographical areas of special investment expertise in the U.S. and in other countries. Silicon Valley is not the only player in this field. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above. You can email Hoyt Davidson through me or by using his website. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 31 Dec 2012 04:04:25 UTC
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Dr. David Lawrence, Friday, 12-28-12 (46.91MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. David Lawrence. Topic: The planet Mercury & the NASA Messenger Mission. Please direct all comments & questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments & questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright & are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Dr. David Lawrence to the program to discuss the planet Mercury & the NASA Messenger Mission's latest finding. For more information, visit the Messenger websites, www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/main/index.html & http://messenger.jhuapl.edu. We started our discussion by describing the Mercury & the Messenger mission. For example, it took over six years to get to Mercury because of the difficulty in slowing the spacecraft down given the close proximity to the sun. Dr. Lawrence explained this process to us & the Venus, Mercury, & Earth flyby program used by the spacecraft to orbit around Mercury. We talked about the spacecraft health, the instruments on board & the problem with the gamma ray spectrometer which worked for about 9,000 hours on an expected life of 8,000 hours. However, data from this instrument is still being analyzed & will be for some time to come. Other instruments on Messenger are fine & the spacecraft has a life expectancy to 2015. Our guest explained mission nominal life & the process for mission extensions with additional NASA funding. We talked about funding issues for Messenger & other planetary missions in light of NASA budget issues & the overall U.S. economy. Dr. Lawrence told us how the missions compete for extension & additional funding, plus the requirements they must meet to be extended. Listeners wanted to know about the application of Messenger & Mercury science to Earth & other solar system missions, our Moon, a NEO, even Mars. Other listeners wanted to know Mercury's distances from the sun & Earth, as well as more about possible tectonic activity on Mercury. We discussed basic chemical elements found on Mercury as well as volatile elements. In our second segment, Dr. Lawrence was asked to identify the biggest surprise so far which he said had to do with the composition of the planet & volatile elements with high concentrations of sulfur & sodium, among others. A listener asked about Mercury radiation levels & another listener wanted to know how Mercury crater's got their names. Dr. Lawrence then took us through the crater naming process which you can also read about on the Messenger websites. We talked about Messenger's discovery of Hollows (see, http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/24oct_sleepyhollows). One listener asked our guest how one gets on a science team like Messenger. Dr. Lawrence explained the paths to joining these teams. Mercury's high density came up & our guest talked about most all of the iron on the planet being concentrated in its core. We also talked about data analysis, archives, embargos, & availability. Our guest directed us to the NASA Planetary Portal System for more information. Near the end, we talked about the NASA Discovery Program & other successful Discovery missions including Dawn. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. You can email Dr. Lawrence through me or the APL Messenger website. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:28:00 UTC
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Dr. Armen Papazian, Friday, 12-21-12 (55.99MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Armen Papazian. Topics: Creating money via wealth not debt to finance space development. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Dr. Armen Papazian to discuss his space financing theories based on creating money in our global economy through wealth rather than by debt and debt instruments. I urge you to read his papers and see his presentations on this subject at www.isdhub.com. Definitely download and reach "Money Mechanics For Space" which you will find on the left side of the website under the Planetary Referendum box. Also, do vote on the Planetary Referendum, an issue our guest brought to our attention several times during our discussion. You will also find additional presentations and papers of interest to us and this subject on the isdhub.com website so do check them out. While our program was in two segments, the overriding discussion focused on how we presently create money by debt, why this is a problem causing methodology, and why we need to move to alternative ways to create money, both in the U.S. and around the world. Since we do focus on lots of economics, having his papers and presentations handy to supplement our discussion will prove useful. Dr. Papazian explained how we create money today and the problems our current methodology causes as it is based on the concepts of scarcity, risk, and time. We spent considerable time talking about scarcity and time in economics, in the practical administration of government policy, academia, and why we need to move away from these concepts. Our guest suggested an alternative scenario in which money is created through wealth with space as the leading wealth creating industry because space represents abundance, not scarcity. A wealth based money creating economy does away with scarcity as the underlying foundation, replacing it with abundance. In this discussion, he introduced us to Public Capitalization Notes (PCN), a very important tool & part of this alternative approach to creating non-debt money. We fielded listener emails and calls with many questions for our guest. Listeners wanted to know if there was a cost for money and how would that be handled? What about the time value of money, risk & inflation? Armen made it clear that he was not suggesting a disruptive change in our economic systems, instead, he was advocating a parallel economic system and an evolutionary approach toward wealth and abundance based money creation using PCN tools. Near the end of our discussion, we applied what our guest was saying to space investments such as recent projects discussed on The Space Show and their very significant infrastructure requirements. From this discussion, we learned how space can be a game changer and rather than banks, governments, and individuals owning debt, these financing parties would own equity or assets in the space project. In Armen's closing comments, he urged us to vote in the Planetary Referendum for Cosmic Awareness and to be supportive of their crowd sourcing program. Please post comments/questions on The Space Show blog. If you want to email Dr. Papazian, you can do it through me or the Contact page on his website. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:02:38 UTC
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The John Batchelor Show "Hotel Mars," Wednesday, 12-19-12 (6.22MB; download) -- Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Maria Zuber, Dr. David Livingston: Topics: The Lunar GRAIL Mission & Ebb and Flow probes crashing into the Moon. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11 minute plus discussion, we specifically talked with Dr. Zuber, the PI of GRAIL, about the Moon, the Ebb and Flow probes crashing into the lunar surface, the high resolution gravity map GRAIL has made of the Moon, lunar surface fractures and lunar water, and large lava-filled cracks that may be hundreds of miles long and many miles under the lunar surface. We talked about the significance of all of these GRAIL findings and addressed why Ebb and Flow crashed into a lunar mountain named after Sally Ride, the first American woman in space. Please post any comments/questions you might have on The Space Show blog. You can contact Mr. Batchelor or Dr. Zuber through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:57:10 UTC
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