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The Space Show
The Space Show focuses on timely and important issues influencing the development of outer-space commerce, space tourism,space exploration and space development. The Space Show is committed to facilitating our becoming a space-faring nation and society with a growing and self-sustaining space-faring economy. The Space Show also focuses on other related subjects of interest to us all.
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Col. Carol Welsch (USAF), Monday, 7-9-12 (46.26MB; download) -- Guest: Col. Carol Welsch (USAF). Topics: Space Development & Test Directorate, Space Test Program, DOD small satellite launch assist programs. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Col. Welsch back to The Space Show to discuss the Air Force Space Development & Test Directorate, the Space Test Program, and other DOD launch and small satellite assist programs. During our first segment, Col. Welsch introduced us to the program and we talked about several of their satellite projects, their R&D program, and their launch and satellite parameters for participating in their program. We talked about civilian as well as Air Force career opportunities within this Directorate. Civilian jobs are listed at www.USAjobs.gov site under the name of this directorate. We also talked about funding and congressional budget cuts, the Operationally Responsive Space (ORS) program and office, as well as the Air Force Research Lab (AFRL). We took listener calls and emails about the hyperspectral imaging (ARTEMIS) satellite, TacSat-3, and even the Civil Air Patrol and their airborne imaging sensor. We talked about university launches, the requirements for their participation and even the need for security clearances as warranted by the specific project. As this segment ended, Jack asked about suborbital launches and the emerging suborbital industry. In our second segment, we talked about the future of ORS and the FY 13 proposed budget cuts. We talked about the Army getting back into the small satellite business with KESTREL EYE and the Air Force support to the Army in these satellite programs. I asked Col. Welsch about future plans five years out and longer and we got a glimpse of their strategic planning ideas and projects. We talked about the possible use of foreign launchers and their educational outreach programs to school kids. A caller asked about the Space Experiments Review Board and another wanted more information about the use of sounding rockets with NASA or in the private sector. We learned that the lead period for a NASA sounding rocket could be two years and cost a few million dollars. If the emerging suborbitals can do the mission, this will be a real cost plus for the program and save it lots of lead time. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog URL above. If you want to reach Col. Welsch, please send your email to me and I will forward it to her. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:56:10 UTC
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Les Johnson, Sunday, 7-8-12 (57.87MB; download) -- Guest: Les Johnson. Topics: "Going Interstellar: Build Starships Now!," and interstellar propulsion & advanced propulsion concepts. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We started our discussion by talking about interstellar travel, his new book, "Going Interstellar," and advanced concepts, both for NASA and outside the NASA mindset. Please remember that if you purchase this book from Amazon using this link, Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show/OGLF: www.amazon.com/Going-Interstellar-Johnson/dp/1451637780/ref=onegiantlea20. Les told us that both he and his co-editor, Jack McDevitt, had very little trouble getting the authors to contribute to the book which consists of a series of short stories from well known science fiction authors plus scientists. There is a focus on the plausible and grounded physics so that the sci-fi is rooted in actual physics. Les took several phone calls wanting to know about advanced concepts and propulsion at NASA and in general outside of NASA. We spoke about many concepts including solar sail technology, nuclear electric propulsion, the fission fragment rocket, faster than light (FTL) travel, antimatter, & the types of possible starships that might be used, plus the time intervals to travel from point A to point B. We talked about the challenges from the laws of physics, political leadership, funding, & timelines. Les said that barring the discovery of new physics which he is not optimistic about at this time, he does not think FTL travel will be possible. When I asked about the discovery of Higgs-boson as an example of discovering new things, he talked about the discovery of that which is predictive as compared to something entirely new and unknown. Other topics in this segment included artistic license in sci-fi writing, the role of physics & the imagination, & even questioning the possible role of ET in contributing to advanced propulsion concepts. In our second segment, Marshall was our first caller & we talked about the French nuclear program, fusion, & the large ITER reactor program. Les went over many of the fusion energy challenges & we talked about some fuel issues. Les then told us about some of the future books he is working on & then he had more to say about solar sail technology which is his preference at this time for robotic interstellar missions. We took a call about the huge Atlanta, GA sci-fi conference, DragonCon ( http://dragoncon.org) as Les will be a featured speaker there this year. As the program was ending, we talked about HSF NASA infrastructure, the Von Braun model for spaceflight, and more about the specific stories in his book. If you have questions/comments for our guest, please post them on The Space Show blog. Check out his websites at www.lesjohnsonauthor.com and www.amazon.com/Les-Johnson/e/B002OUOYZQ/ref=onegiantlea20. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:23:15 UTC
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ISU Space & Media Panel; KSC VIP Tour Report, Friday, 7-6-12 (60.23MB; download) -- Guests: Dr. David Livingston; Jim Lewis & Bill Allen in the second segment. Topics: ISU Space & Media Panel, KSC special VIP tour report. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. During the first segment of this program, I talked about my recent experience as moderator of the International Space University (ISU) Summer Session Space and Media Panel. I would also like to refer you to an article on the panel with pictures at www.americaspace.org?p=22002. Panel members were Irene Klotz, Bill Harwood, Leonard David, & Jim Lewis. We talked about various journalistic, media, alternative and new media issues, science and space reporting issues for 90 minutes, then took questions from the ISU students &visitors for half an hour. I highlighted many of the questions asked of the panel, some of the discussion topics, & student questions. In the second segment, I was joined by Jim Lewis & Bill Allen. Jim commented on the earlier media panel discussion, but we focused on the KSC tour. We described what we saw on Pad 39 A, the shuttle control room, and in the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) with the crawler, the mobile launcher, & the shuttle bays. We went inside Endeavour where astronaut Nicole Stott kindly showed us around, answered our questions, explained the crew cabin & taught us Space Shuttle 101. We commented on just how tight the living conditions were in the shuttle & how hard it was to sit in the command & pilot seats. Doing so in a space suit & with the shuttle in the vertical position for launch seemed an impossible task. Much of the equipment had been removed on both decks, especially the seats (other than the command & pilot seats) plus the galley was gone, so we actually saw Endeavour with room to spare than when outfitted for flight & seven crew members. We walked around Endeavour, inspected the tiles, the payload bay, the SMEs (they had been removed) & I must say that despite seeing shuttle launches in person & on television, seeing it in person as we did gave us all a different perspective on current HSF policy issues. Jim, Bill & I talked about the human cost because winding down this program did & still does have a human cost & face to it. We also talked about the capacity shuttle gave us that we have given up since none of the new space vehicles can compare to what shuttle was able to do. I commented on the engineering marvel of much of the HSF infrastructure I saw & stood on, in the VAB, Pad 39A, the escape chutes to the Rubber Room & more. We saw the brand new Constellation control room which was finished, & is now in stand down mode pending possible modifications for commercial opportunities. We saw the shuttle & Apollo control rooms of which the latter is being remodeled for the changing program. An amazing NASA workforce team showed us around. We were all very impressed by this space workforce, making it even more difficult to think about so many exceptional people who have lost their jobs & more. While I know many of you will disagree with some of my shuttle & space workforce comments, seeing it in person & talking to the people involved, well, its very different from hearing about it on TV, reading an article, an op-ed, or hearing people talk about it at a space conference. Post your comments/questions on the blog. If you want to email Jim, Bill, or anyone from our media panel, send the note to me & I'll forward it on your behalf. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 07 Jul 2012 03:17:42 UTC
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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 7-3-12 (68.93MB; download) -- Guest: Robert (Bob) Zimmerman. Topics: Recent space news and announced projects. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Bob Zimmerman back to the show. Check out his blog at www.behindtheblack.com. We started off our first long segment (90 minutes) by mentioning the 50th anniversary of Telstar 1, the death of our friend, Al Zaehringer, AT&T and our early space program, plus the word coming from CERN that they may have found the Higgs-Boson particle. I then asked Bob to comment on the global warming statements being made about the current East Coast heat wave, followed by comments by Newt about the power grid outages and a taste of what an EMP would be like. We then turned to space and Bob talked about the recent success with Dragon and Falcon 9. He then talked about government space programs as compared to private programs. Throughout our 135 minute discussion, he reiterated his opposition to space programs, making it clear that he does not want a "program" and why. Let us know on the blog if you agree with him. Bob suggested we were in a period of space revolution and that it would be very exciting over the next five years. He talked about SpaceX compared to the Russians and the Chinese. He did say we were in competition with them for control of space and this led us to a discussion about culture and the space frontier. We talked about recently announced projects, Planetary Resources, Mars One, and one by the B612 Foundation. He thought B612 was the only real one of the three. Terry called from Texas to discuss using an Orion for a LEO mission, the Falcon Heavy for a Moon mission, Delta IV heavy and SLS. Jerry called in from Florida and among our topics were frontier development, the Oregon Trail, the CERN reactor in Switzerland rather than in Texas, and more. No space programs per Bob's preferences again came up. Let us know your thoughts about these issues on the blog. As the segment ended, Bob was asked about Skylon which was the subject of yesterday's program. Tim's call started our second segment & he asked about a lox paraffin hybrid rocket motor. We also talked about the space shuttle & its capabilities. While Bob praised aspects of shuttle, he said the program was a failure. I did not agree with him but listen and let us know what you think regarding this issue. Note that as the program ended, Martin sent us info on the hybrid motor mentioned earlier by Tim so check out www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9erCLJ5KVg as Brian Cantwell delivered a presentation at Stanford on the state of the art of hybrid rockets. Bob then updated us on the bat situation with the white nose fungus. As our program ended, Bob talked about upcoming events starting with Orbital's Cygnus/Antares debut, Dream Chaser and other competitors. He had some brief comments about the suborbital industry and citizen science projects and concluded by saying we were no longer in a holding pattern re commercial space. If you have comments/questions, please post them on our blog.
Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:44:34 UTC
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Mark Hempsell, Monday, 7-2-12 (44.07MB; download) -- Guest: Mark Hempsell. Topics: Reaction Engines, LTD & their Skylon space propulsion system. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Mark Hempsell for Skylon updates and progress reports since his last visit on August 6, 2009. During our first segment, Mark started with an update saying they are nearing the end of the technology development stage for their space vehicle system. We then went back to the basics and he described the Skylon project for us. Mark talked at length about the Sabre engine, the radiator, their SSTO plans, and more. Several listener emails came in wanting to know about the market and business plan model for Skylon, the space tourism module and profile, and if it could be used for point to point transportation. We learned that for cargo, Skylon flies without a crew. With passengers on board, there will be a crew. Also discussed were orbital characteristics for the vehicle, docking with the ISS and the new ISS docking standards which may present problems for Skylon. You can check out these standards at http://internationaldockingstandard.com. Mark mentioned the various rocket fuels, tonnage to LEO and GEO, crew and passenger configuration, and the two day turnaround period. In the second segment, we resumed talking about the vehicle operating costs. Michael called in to talk about emergency landing options given runway constraints discussed in the first segment. Next up was the thermal protection system (TPS) and we learned that the skin was a type of glass, silicon carbonate that can take1,000 C and that is why Skylon is black. Later, we talked about funding, government subsidies, & private investment. Mark got a question about using scramjet technology and he had much say about this. Another topic was the flight profile and G-loads to be placed upon Skylon occupants. Near the end, we talked about ITAR and potential U.S. investor investment. Skylon test flights will likely be in 2020. Our guest also talked about ESA and other organizational oversight. If you have comments/questions, please post them on The Space Show blog. Visit Skylon' s website, www.reactionengines.co.uk. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:58:15 UTC
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Open Lines, Tuesday, 7-1-12 (80.29MB; download) -- Guest: Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston. Topics: A wide range of space related topics over a 2.5 hour Space Show program. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. Our initial discussion topic during our hour long first segment was with Charles Pooley who called in to talk about the NASA Nanosat Challenge and the website, http://challenge.gov/NASA/49-nano-satellite-launch-challenge. Charles was hoping listeners might have more information about this program. If you do, please post your comments on the blog. We also talked about the N-Prize and Charles described the basics of this program. Peter Platzer of Do It Yourself Space called in from Mtn. View, CA to talk about Do It Yourself Space, Nanosatisfi and their Kickstarter project. Websites to visit to learn more about what Peter shared with us include http://diyinspace.com and www.nanosatisfi.com. If you want to contact Peter about this project, you can email him at peter@nanosatisfi.com. As you will hear, this is an innovative build your own satellite venture designed to engage everyone in space activities. Our next caller was Frank Van Rensselaer, author of the recent Space News op-ed, What Will Be This Administration’s Legacy for NASA?, http://spacenews.com/commentaries/120618-administration-legacy-nasa.html. Frank talked about the NASA legacy, I tied in my KSC tour and what I saw in terms of the take down of so much of our HSF infrastructure, the shuttles, etc. I asked Frank about NASA budget and funding issues, the role of Congress, OMB and the OSTP. We also talked about commercial space, its importance moving forward for the future and robust civil and commercial space programs. I questioned Frank on differing views as to what our space policy should be, including perspectives contrary to his own. I believe this is a most interesting 20 plus minute conversation. In the second segment, we led off with a call from John in Atlanta who talked about SLS as a placeholder program, the ISS, Commercial Crew, and human rating the Delta and possibly the Atlas. After John's call, Kelly called in to talk about SpaceX from his perspective which is different than the perspective most of us have regarding SpaceX, the Falcon 9 and Dragon. See what you think of what Kelly had to say and post your comments on The Space Show blog. I'm sure many of you will want to challenge or disagree with Kelly. Have at it but please, keep it civil. While Kelly was talking, Jim sent in an email saying "Wow! Kelly seems to be living in a different dimension than the rest of us. I wonder what Kelly thinks about the Falcon Heavy?" Later, Terry emailed us about Sen. Hutchinson, her retirement, and the SLS. He also asked about the possibility of life for the ISS after 2020. Toward the end of the program, Terry called to address his concerns. Since we talked about economic issues and good programs being cut when an economy is weak, I read a sad announcement about the funding & program cancellation for the outstanding Center for Remote Sensing, Air, and Space Law at Ole Miss Law School. I hope to address the quality of this excellent Center in a future Space Show program. As the show ended, I went over the upcoming week's schedule and that I would be discussing my Florida Space Coast trip in some detail on this week's Friday morning program. If you have comments/questions, post them on the blog. If you want to email one of the callers, send your note to me and I will forward it to the person of your choice.
Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:38:41 UTC
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John Batchelor "Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 6-27-12 (9.78MB; download) -- Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Angie Bukley, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: International Space University and the ISU Summer Session 2012. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11.5 minute discussion, the three of us talked about the current ISU Summer Session in progress on the campus of Florida Institute of Technology in Melbourne, Florida. Dr. Bukley talked about ISU in general, the specifics of the summer session, the countries represented by the students attending the session and the Space & Media Panel which I moderated on Tuesday evening. We also talked about the ISU Summer Session 2013 to be held in Brazil. If you have comments/questions for our guests regarding this program, please post them on The Space Show blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:41:52 UTC
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Dr. Paul Spudis, Sunday, 6-24-12 (63.33MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Paul Spudis. Topics: Return to the Moon, lunar ice & water, space policy, NASA space program. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Paul Spudis back to the program. Visit his website and blog for additional information, www.spudislunarresources.com & http://globs.airspacemag.com/moon. We started out by discussing a new report claiming that there is a low amount of water ice at Shackleton crater on the Moon. Dr. Spudis explained this study/report and introduced other data points indicating the low amount of water theory is not a valid conclusion. This discussion led to questions about science & media reporting and how best for the public to follow up on a story to not be mislead. I asked Paul about the influence of such articles on policy makers and congressional staffers as well as those outside the U.S., citing the Chinese space program as an example. I also asked our guest if we were in a space race with China. Dr. Spudis had much to say about this issue. We talked about why American space leadership on the space frontier is important. See if you agree with what our guest had to say on this important subject. Dr. Spudis then talked about the difference with a PR stunt type of mission as compared to a mission which developed & enabled capabilities to move us forward in space development, exploration, and economics. This brought up a June 20, 2012 Space News op-ed (http://spacenews.com/commentaries/120618-administration-legacy-nasa.html) by Frank Van Rensselaer, What Will Be This Administration’s Legacy for NASA? This then led to a discussion about our not having a space vision direction or strategy for our civil space policy. Much was said about this with callers and email questions during the balance of the first segment and throughout the second segment. Our guest made a point of saying we need to ask what the purpose of the mission is, what are the goals, and what is the value of the mission? These are important questions to always ask about what we are doing with our civil space missions. This is an important discussion so do listen closely to what Dr. Spudis had to say. NASA budget issues were part of this discussion with Dr. Spudis making the case that money was and is not really the issue. Instead, its the politics of how we choose to spend tax payer money. In the second segment, Marshall called to ask about lunar lava tubes and water, along with the need for lunar rovers. Don't miss what Paul had to say about these topics. Paul was asked about his cislunar economic plans and he talked about NewSpace given the question he received from Wayne in Las Vegas asking him if he was in conflict with NewSpace. Later, Crystal from Tulsa emailed Paul with a question about space property rights. Paul said this was extremely important so do listen to the complete discussion on this topic. More was said about NASA budget issues & making sure taxpayers get something back for what they spend on space. Andrew sent in an email addressing the technology development problems going back decades with military airplanes & large engineering projects. Near the end of our two hour program, Dr. Spudis mentioned the tyranny of the rocket equation and what this means for space access and costs. We also talked about on orbit fuel depots. Reaching a critical mass for making a difference in space policy was our last discussion topic. If you have a comment/question for Dr. Spudis, please post it on The Space Show blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:42:44 UTC
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Tom Olson, Dr. John Jurist, Friday, 6-22-12 (33.85MB; download) -- Guests: Tom Olson, Dr. John Jurist. Topics: The return to life of the Space Cynic blog, http://spacecynic.wordpress.com. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Tom Olson and Dr. John Jurist to discuss our plans to reactivate the Space Cynic blog, http://spacecynic.wordpress.com. Tom started our Space Show discussion with an historical overview of why the Space Cynic blog was created by Shubber Ali and the three of us. We talked about some of the past programs, themes we wrote about, the goal of the blog, and the Walking Eagle Award. We mostly focused on the business side of issues, the engineering, human factors, and other issues that can make or break any venture, including a space venture. We each mentioned some examples that highlight the themes we respectively focused on with the blog, including asteroid mining and space solar power. We also talked about themes we have in common with one another. Each of us mentioned some new themes we are interested in once the blog becomes active again, probably by September at the latest. A new feature of the rebirth of the Cynics blog will be the opportunity to be a guest Space Cynic blogger. Details on this will soon be posted on the Space Cynic blog but we did mention of few of the obvious guidelines during our discussion. We also talked about making comments on the blog and opening up the Walking Eagle Award to a blog reader nomination process. Note that I will archive this program on Space Cynics as well as The Space Show blog but do understand that The Space Show has no formal relationship to Space Cynics other than as an individual, I am one of the four space cynic contributors. We welcome your feedback on bringing the Space Cynic blog back to active life. Post your comments on either blog or both of them. If you want to email either of the guests on this show or space cynic founder Shubber Ali, you can do so through me and I will forward your email to the person of your choice. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:40:48 UTC
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The John Batchelor Show "Hotel Mars," Wednesday, 6-20-12 (5.77MB; download) -- Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Seth Shostak, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: SETIcon II Conference, science fiction & space science. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11.5 minute discussion, Dr. Shostak talked to us about the upcoming SETIcon II Conference sponsored by the SETI Organization. For details about the conference, visit www.seticon.org. The three of us talked about the programming, many of the guests and panels, but John also asked about the Kepler Space Telescope and finding exoplanets, the habitat zone, and life elsewhere off Earth. Dark matter, dark energy came up, along with the question which is addressed by this conference concerning if Earth is a miracle or if Earth is more common with life in other places even if not yet discovered by us here on Earth. In looking over the program agenda, you will recognize many of the speakers and panel members as Space Show guests and actual scientists and academics. You will hear me talk about why this is a special type of sci-fi conference. For those of you in the Bay Area or able to attend it this coming weekend, I strongly recommend you do so. It is affordable, it will be fun and above all, SETIConII will be information packed and educational. If you have comments or questions about this program, please post them on The Space Show blog. If you want to email either John or Seth, send your note to me and I will forward it for you. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:53:13 UTC
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