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The Space Show
The Space Show focuses on timely and important issues influencing the development of outer-space commerce, space tourism,space exploration and space development. The Space Show is committed to facilitating our becoming a space-faring nation and society with a growing and self-sustaining space-faring economy. The Space Show also focuses on other related subjects of interest to us all.
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The John Batchelor Show "Hotel Mars," Wednesday, 5-16-12 (4.84MB; download) -- Guest: John Batchelor, Guillermo Sohnlein, Dr. Space. Topics: The Sea-Space Initiative, synergies with the oceans and space. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11.5 minute segment, Guillermo Sohnlein joined us to talk about the first of several upcoming Sea-Space Initiative Workshops to help develop long-term strategic plans as well as near-term tactical projects that are synergistic between the oceans and space. This first workshop takes place next week at the offices of Google, Inc. in Silicon Valley, California. For more information, please visit http://seaspaceinitiative.org. Our guest talked about both inner and outer space, he mentioned several synergistic industries, we talked about NASA’s interest in the oceans plus a host of other issues. John also asked about the Law of the Sea Treaty and the space treaties in terms of impact on sea and space future opportunities/obstacles. I will be attending the workshop and in fact am chairing the communications panel discussion. I will report on the workshop on our next open lines program. If you want to email John Batchelor, you can do so through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 19 May 2012 01:56:38 UTC
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Rand Simberg, Tuesday, 5-15-12 (50.98MB; download) -- Guest: Rand Simberg. Topics: Space Frontier property rights and risk aversion. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Rand Simberg to discuss his research paper on space property rights, Homesteading the Final Frontier (http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Rand%20Simberg%20-%20Homesteading%20the%20Final%20Frontier.pdf). In the second part of the program, we discussed his next project focusing on our being too risk averse. Our property rights discussion addressed many areas including land claims, the Outer Space Treaty, the Moon Treaty, English Common Law, royalty payments, commercial space development & enhancement, government regulation, marketable space real estate, both the Antarctica & Arctic models, & the Law of the Sea Treaty. Issues about launch country liability/responsibility were discussed & several listeners commented to Rand on his ideas, both for & con. I also strongly recommend you read his paper per the URL above as he does a good job of laying out his idea and why he believes it to be both viable and important. In the last segment, we switched topics to his newest project dealing with risk aversion. He said the working title of his new project would be "We Are Not Killing Enough People." When I questioned him about the wisdom of such an inflammatory title, he said it was meant to get attention. Listen to the discussion and see what you think. Rand & listeners cited many examples of what is believed to be excessive regulation that either already does or has the potential to limit our choices as to what we can and cannot do. I also cited examples from my own life about choosing risky things to do without having to be concerned about government regulations at the time. But Rand kept the topic focused on space as much as possible & put forth a strong case for individual choice as long as it does not impact third parties & he made a strong connection with choice to economic growth, development, & resource expansion/utilization. He also talked about the need to be free to fail and that frontiers have never been settled throughout history without the loss of life. Near the end of the program, one listener said to Rand that "life without risk is a fantasy." Our congress was a big part of the focus of the discussion & here, Rand suggested that since most in Congress don't care that much about space & most people don't either, that when we write to our representatives, our letters have more impact than usual because they so seldom here from space supporters other than those in the industry lobbying for this or that policy. Rand received lots of agreement on his risk conclusions & his idea that more people need to die to develop the frontier, but he also got strong opposition to his ideas. Bill was one who opposed Rand's ideas from a marketing & adverse publicity perspective. Jim suggested that Rand & others needed to convince the public & Congress that space was a frontier and that it was actually worth dying for in settling/taming it. For the most part, there was strong support for being less risk averse & for settling & economically developing the space frontier. When Rand's new project is published, I will be sure to call your attention to it so you can read & evaluate it for yourself. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above. Rand can be contacted through his own blog, Transterrestrial Musings at www.transterrestrial.com. You can also comment on his Space Show appearance on his blog in addition to our blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 16 May 2012 16:47:38 UTC
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Dr. Harold Rosen, Monday, 5-14-12 (31.83MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Harold Rosen. Topics: SYNCOM Geostationary Satellite history. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Harold Rosen to the program to discuss the world's first geostationary communication satellite which he created, SYNCOM. Dr. Rosen has given me permission to upload to The Space Show blog Chapter 2 from Success Stories In Satellite Systems which is an AIAA book published in 2008. Chapter 2 is titled "SYNCOM: World's First Geostationary Satellite." This is Dr. Rosen's own story of SYNCOM from idea conception to success as he is recognized as the father of the geostationary satellite. Dr. Rosen started our discussion by going back in time to the conditions and the political situation of the time. Sputnik was orbiting Earth and the advanced radar unit Dr. Rosen was working on was suddenly cancelled when it was discovered that the Soviet Union was replacing its bombers with ICBMs. Dr. Rosen's department at Hughes was now challenged to find new and appropriate technologies building upon the radar technology as it was important to keep the team employed. One project suggested was the design and development of a communications satellite system as existing communications were problematic at best, expensive, and transoceanic television was impossible. Dr. Rosen tells us how he expanded the idea, put together an amazing team to develop the concept, and how his team had to struggle and fight for sponsors, funding, and backing. One of the issues we talked about was the spin configuration and thruster development. Dr. Rosen talked about the rocket limitations at the time and how they planned on using a Scout sounding rocket. As it turned out, the Delta was being worked on and when the satellites were ready for launch, a Delta was used. In fact, once they knew that the launch would be on a Delta, they did some redesign of their satellite to add in more redundancy given the Delta could handle significantly more mass than a Scout. Dr. Rosen talked about many of the challenges including the need to have a light weight traveling wave tube amplifier. We also talked about the competing LEO comsat programs proposed at the time and Dr. Rosen had some interesting things to say about these types of systems, especially for today with modern technology. I asked Dr. Rosen why the early SYNCOM system had a five year life. Don't miss his explanation for this. A listener asked him to compare the early geo satellites to a Direct TV satellite of today. Again, you will find the comparison most interesting. This is an important part of our space history and Dr. Rosen with the team he assembled made it happen, from idea to reality. Our communications and world were forever changed because of his success. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. I will be sure to let Dr. Rosen know about blog comments. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 15 May 2012 17:24:47 UTC
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Randa & Rod Milliron with Olav Zipser, Sunday, 5-13-12 (52.65MB; download) -- Guests: Randa and Rod Milliron; Olav Zipser. Topics: Interorbital Systems update, Olav Zipser & freeflying rocket ejection. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Randa and Rod Milliron for updates with their company, Interorbital Systems (IOS). Visit their website at http://interorbital.com. During our first hour long segment, our guests provided us with a current overview of IOS, their rockets and their static and flight testing upcoming program. We talked about their sea launch plans, their rocket fuel which is white fuming nitric acid with turpentine/furfuryl alcohol, and their TubeSat and newly added CubeSat personal satellite kits available on their website. We learned more about their modular rocket plans along with both suborbital and orbital plans for the company. Listeners asked lots of questions about their modular rocket system, ocean launch, their choice of fuel, and the high altitude jump from their rocket planned by Olav Zipser. In the last segment of the program, Olav joined us for a detailed discussion about his plans so more about that later in this summary. We talked about the personal satellite kits and I asked if they were user friendly in terms of building them. As we learned, they do require expertise and thus are a terrific learning tool for students as well as others, crossing over many disciplines from soldering to software programming. If you or a group are interested in these kits, contact Randa/Rod for more information through their website. Some listeners asked our guests technical questions about their guidance system plans and their rocket pressure fed system. In the second segment, Olav Zipser joined us. For more information about Olav and his freeflying astronaut program which he created, visit his website at www.freeflyastronaut.com. His freeflying program which he invented for skydiving allows him to use his body as a type of "lifting body" (he cannot go up) in that he can change his positions, movements, angles, etc. to actually "fly" during his skydive. For jumping from the IOS rocket at about 40 KM (25 miles), he intends to practice the jumps from various altitudes working up to his main jump altitude in which he hopes to break the record set by Air Force Captain Joe Kittinger decades ago. Olav fielded several questions about how he intended to exit from the rocket, stabilize himself against spin, handle human supersonic flight including going into and out of supersonic flight. Olav had much to say about the need for a custom designed space suit to allow him to safely do his jump. He also explained why he was working with the Russians on this space suit design. As you will hear, flexibility is crucial to the type of space suit he requires for this jump. At the end of our discussion, Olav said that his suit design and what he learns from his jump should allow a safe emergency crew exit even for an unconscious person, giving the person a fighting chance for survival. Our program ended with a brief summary of thoughts offered by Randa and Ron, their plans to attend the CubeSat workshop which is part of SmallSat each year, plus they left us with a worthy closing statement you will want to hear. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 14 May 2012 16:56:04 UTC
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Reinventing Space Conference Interviews,Friday, 5-11-12 (60.98MB; download) -- Guests: 1st Segment: Col (Res.) Yoram Ilan-Lipovsky with George Vamos; 2nd Segment: George Vamos. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This program consists of two recorded interviews from the Reinventing Space Conference 2012. The first interview for an hour is with Col (Res.) Yoram Ilan-Lipovsky . Yoram has been interviewed in earlier years at this conference, still serves with the IAF though he is retired, and is still part of the Israeli Space Program. We were joined by George Vamos who was attending the conference as he was most interested in Yoram's plans for air launch for Israeli satellites and missions. Col. Ilan-Lipovsky told us about his plan to use cubesats for disaster management including wild fires as well as a host of other natural and man made disasters. He talked about the interest in this project in Japan, the U.S. including the states most subject to wild fires, Europe and Israel. We went through his satellite plan, the use of air launch to quickly get the satellites up for a specific disaster, and debris issues when the small satellites reach the end of their mission. Later in this interview, we talked about space and the average Israeli, the Kepler Space Telescope and STEM issues in education in Israel and around the world. In the second segment, George Vamos proposed several questions to us and hopes that listeners to this program will offer him comments, information, or ask questions on the blog. George is looking ahead to the day when he believes there might be a government space program leaving all space exploration, including deep space exploration, to the private sector. Thus, he is looking at a new model to finance deep space missions using philanthropy. He is wondering what the price points might be for deep space mission, perhaps to Mars, and then can such a mission be financed through philanthropy. He said he realized that most of these types of missions would not support a commercial model since traditional investment and ROI objectives would not likely be met. Based on what he sees with wealthy people building wings of hospitals, cancer centers and even financing the Keck Telescope in Hawaii, he exploring philanthropy as a possible means of carrying, perhaps at a small level, meaningful deep space missions. See what you think and let him know your thoughts on the blog. He will be responding to your comments and questions. For all comments and questions regarding both segments of this discussion, please post them on The Space Show blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Fri, 11 May 2012 14:52:59 UTC
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John Batchelor "Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 5-9-11 (4.95MB; download) -- Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: Responsive Space, Reinventing Space Conference 2012. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11.5 minute segment, John and I discussed many responsive space issues, dual use technology for DOD and the commercial industry concerning the responsive space goals of low cost launch, redundancy, backup, and the rapid replacement of space assets as needed on a case by case basis. We talked about improving technology enabling us to evolve closer to a true responsive space capability. Commercial space applications were discussed and I mentioned one conference talk about the possibility of commercializing weather satellites with the government buying the data rather than building, financing, deploying, and operating weather satellites. For more information on the subject, visit the conference website, www.responsivespace.com. If you want to email John Batchelor, you can do so through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Fri, 11 May 2012 14:51:12 UTC
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Reinventing Space Conference, Tuesday, 5-8-12 (45.75MB; download) -- Guests: Open Mic at the Reinventing Space Conference 2012. Topics: Responsive space, low cost space access, Army satellite program, university projects, students & education, Dream Chaser, Women in Aerospace Southern California Chapter. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This Space Show program was an "open mic" discussion for those attending the Reinventing Space Conference 2012. The Space Show made its microphones available to those in attendance to speak on any topic of interest to them. Our discussion topics included responsive space, low cost space access, pushing technology, the U.S. Army satellite program and the launch of the Army's SMDC-One satellite, the first Army satellite launch in 50 years. Others spoke about university projects, STEM education, the lack of interest in space /STEM subjects by among the younger population, challenges in the field of education, and the Women In Aerospace Southern California Chapter. We started out with Dr. Jim Wertz providing us with an overview of the responsive space issues and what we can expect in the coming years. George Vamos, Dr. Wertz & as Dr. Van Allen discussed offsets and technology trades in lowering launch costs. Other participants talked about progress they have seen and experienced over their many years of working in the aerospace field. We heard from Charles Kilmer on this subject. He was followed by John London of the Army SMDC/ARSTRAT. He talked about the first Army satellite launch in 50 years, the SMDC-One. We also learned about future plans for Army satellites in support of the warfighter. He talked about the Army launching satellites the size of a loaf of bread and a bread box at 1/2000th the cost of a more traditional satellite. Rachel and Krystal from Sierra Nevada spoke about Dream Chaser. We learned more about their upcoming vehicle testing schedule as well as new agreements with Florida. I also inquired about Dream Chaser for space tourism which as you will hear will follow their priority which is commercial crew to the ISS. Larry Martin talked about his University of Hawaii project but we also had a participant from the University of N. Dakota and a recent graduate from Georgia Tech. I apologize for not getting their names for this program summary. These students talked about the challenges in getting younger students interested and aware of space. Our final participants represented Women In Aerospace and the Southern California Chapter. Jeanne Innis Olson and Nicole Johnson spoke about the organization & their California chapter. Those interested in learning more about the organization should contact Wendy Williams at wendy.williams@atk.com. Please post your comments/questions regarding this program Space Show blog. I have listed participant bios for those that have a bio on file with The Space Show. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 09 May 2012 15:50:12 UTC
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Dr. Adrian LeBlanc, Dr. Thomas Lang, Dr. John Jurist, Sunday, 5-6-12 (59.26MB; download) -- Guests: CLASSROOM: Dr. Adrian LeBlanc, Dr. Tom Lang, Dr. John Jurist. Topics: Bone loss issues for human spaceflight & the use of bisphosphonates for mitigation. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com and The Space Show Classroom blog, http://spaceshowclassroom.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.
We welcomed Dr. Adrian LeBlanc, Dr. Tom Lang and Dr. John Jurist as co-host to discuss the NASA bisphosphonate and bone loss study in progress. Dr. LeBlanc along with his associate in Japan, Dr. Toshio Matsumoto, are leading this study and Dr. Lang is part of the team. We started our discussion with Dr. LeBlanc providing us with a brief historical overview of bone loss issues of concern to NASA since the early days of the space program. We talked about Skylab, Mir, the use of the DEXA scan, the use of quantitative computer tomography (QTC) and CT scans through to the ISS, Space Shuttle, and current research projects. Our discussion was technical at times so if you need to look up or Google a technical term, please do so. In addition, we had some audio issues with the phone line used by Dr. LeBlanc as he faded in and out from time to time. We apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused. The first segment went through the bone loss issues, problems, consequences, & the methodologies involved in analyzing the conditions encountered by the astronauts participating in these studies. Issues we discussed included the use of prescription drugs in space, long term use of bisphosphonates, risk factors for spontaneous hip fractures, exercise programs, bone strength, bone mass, the impact of radiation, skeletal recovery back on Earth after spaceflight to something different than before the spaceflight took place as well as the implications for astronauts as they age. We talked about using artificial gravity to mitigate bone loss. You might be surprised to learn that using partial gravity may not help matters. Bisphosphonates do seem to help and will possibly play a role with exercise as we move to long duration spaceflight but we are in the very early stages of fact finding on these issues. We also discussed informed consent with the astronauts regarding their participation in these and other experiments. In the second segment, a listener asked about the relevance of this type of space research to the taxpayer who funds it and to the general population. Our three guests responded to this question, explaining why the research is relevant and important. Don't miss their answers. We then talked about following the astronauts here on Earth to see the continued impact of having been in space on their bones as they age. We learned that bone changes after being in space for four weeks or more and it is important to follow these changes as part of the aging process. Our guests talked about calcium excretion issues in space and the risk this causes for a renal stones. Bisphosphonates may inhibit calcium excretion which would help mitigate this risk. Near the end of our discussion, we learned about new medications being developed that are more advanced than the bisphosphonates we have today. We also talked about the competition with astronauts for different scientific experiments. As Dr. Jurist pointed out, we really do need lots more human spaceflight! At the end a listener asked about bed rest studies and our guests provided us with the basics. If you are interested, visit https://bedreststudy.jsc.nasa.gov. Our guests made important closing comments and take away points. Please post comments/questions on The Space Show and Classroom blogs.
Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 07 May 2012 03:48:25 UTC
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Ken Davidian, Friday, 5-4-12 (45.71MB; download) -- Guest: Ken Davidian. Topics: Commercial Space, FAA AST, space industry development, theories, and markets. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Ken Davidian back to The Space Show to discuss the FAA Center of Excellence Program, commercial space industrial development, markets, and theories. We started our discussion with Ken's overview regarding the Center of Excellence Program. He talked about the participating schools and the four research areas and goal targets: space traffic management; vehicle safety and operations; human factors and safety; and space transportation industrial development, markets, and theories. We talked about the FAA budget and compared it in some ways to the NASA budget. Ken also talked about the coordination between the FAA AST and NASA, along with the primary responsibilities of the FAA which are focused on the aviation sector much more so than space. In the second segment, we switched focus to commercial space and here I suggest you visit the commercial space WIKI website, http://commercialspace.pbworks.com. Ken talked about material on the WIKI throughout this segment, especially the Commercial Space Market Model Papers and the Calendar of Commercial Space Conferences And Events. Both of these links can be found at the top of the home page. For the most part, Ken focused in on theory as compared to hard data detailing results from behavior, timing, policy, "bending metal," and other elements associated with space industrial development. He mentioned many of the books he has read, the theorists, their work, and papers he has written and presented at conferences on the subjects we discussed. The best way to follow along is visit the Commercial Space Markets page with the authors and papers listed, http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/w/page/30789604/Market%20Models%20-%20Papers%20and%20Reports. Rather than describe the theory of the authors Ken discussed, this summary will focus on some key take away points from our conversation. Hard data seems to rule rather than theory alone. Data is based on real time feedback and solid information, even if assumptions are made from the data. That said, we did learn that what is needed is a balanced approach that maximizes the best usage of both hard data and theory. For a new industry such as space, this is harder to do than for an existing or a mature industry. Also, the more that theory is relied upon over hard data, the more skepticism there will probably be in the discussion or planning subject. As for policy making, actually accomplishing what is talked about goes a long way in the policy world, much more so than the rhetoric and theory not yet backed up by actual facts. We also talked strategic planning and again, it is important to have a balance with hard data and theory, but in a developing industry such as space, the risk is that the data is just simply insufficient. Ken cited several examples of this and talked about the various approaches to resolving and addressing conflicts within these areas. Most of the authors, professors, and researchers mentioned in this segment are listed on the WIKI site so again, it is best to follow along with the discussion and read Ken's presentation papers. As the topic of space industrial development is of interest to me and many listeners, Ken and I talked about future Space Show programs/panels targeting how best to develop the emerging commercial space industry. If you have comments/questions, please post them on the blog. You can email Ken at ken.davidian@faa.gov. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 05 May 2012 17:21:21 UTC
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The John Batchelor Show "Hotel Mars," Wednesday, 5-2-12 (4.82MB; download) -- Guests: John Batchelor, Jim Muncy, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: Commercial space, Congressional space policy, Falcon 9 static test. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Our discussion topics this week for our 11 minute plus segment focused on the Falcon 9 static test and probable launch delays to the ISS. Jim discussed the delay and the need for Space X to do a thorough job in preparing for their important launch and first ever commercial rendezvous with the ISS. Next, we talked about the commercial crew space policy, what congress has done and might do regarding down selecting to one or two companies and changing the contracting format from the Space Act Agreement to the FAR. Jim explained the importance of competition in the commercial sector and discussed the commercial participants including Blue Origin, Boeing, Sierra Nevada, ATK , Space X, and Orbital. We talked about how competition is beneficial for NASA as well as the industry and the country. If you want to email either John Batchelor or Jim Muncy, you can do so through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Thu, 03 May 2012 16:02:17 UTC
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