The Space Show
The Space Show
The Space Show focuses on timely and important issues influencing the development of outer-space commerce, space tourism,space exploration and space development. The Space Show is committed to facilitating our becoming a space-faring nation and society with a growing and self-sustaining space-faring economy. The Space Show also focuses on other related subjects of interest to us all.
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Chris Carberry, Monday, 1-25-10 (32.18MB; download) -- Guest: Chris Carberry. Topics: Space Exploration Alliance Legislative Blitz, space policy. Chris Carberry, former Executive Director of the Mars Society, joined us to let us know about the upcoming Legislative Blitz in Washington, DC from Feb. 21-23.. For more information on the Blitz, please visit www.spaceexplorationalliance.org. In our first segment, Chris updated us about his change and departure from the Mars Society and indicated he will soon have announcements to make about some new Mars related activities he is undertaking. He then told us about the Space Exploration Alliance Legislative Blitz. A good portion of this segment explains the Blitz, how to reserve, attend, what to expect in terms of your team and meeting with Members of Congress, and the focus of the Blitz for this year. Chris provided the basics of this year's talking points. Toward the end of this segment, he described the training process and then we talked about the need for heavy lift launchers for our human spaceflight program. In our second segment, we talked about space as an agenda item in the recent Massachusetts senatorial election and discovered space and Augustine was never mentioned or part of the process. Chris talked about the flexible path from the Augustine Commission and then we discussed the Blitz teams and what to expect when meeting a Member of Congress or a staffer. As this segment ended, we talked about the upcoming space policy announcements by the administration and what it might indicate if there was no special space "speech" announcing the new civil space policy. Our last segment was very short and Chris returned to talking about the Blitz. He told us that registration for the Blitz was $25.00, that it takes place regardless of Washington, DC weather. In response to a listener question, the Blitz is strictly for Congress, not the Executive Branch of government. If you have questions or comments for Chris Carberry, please email him at cacarberry@yahoo.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:38:57 UTC
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Dr. Charles Bourland, Sunday, 1-24-10 (46.60MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Charles Bourland. Topics: Astronaut food, space issues regarding food, nutrition, body waste, and more. Dr. Charles Bourland was our guest today regarding the book, "The Astronaut's Cookbook: Tales, Recipes, and More." Dr. Bourland co-authored the book with Gregory Vogt. This book is available through the One Giant Leap Foundation book page as an Amazon partner. You can order the book using www.amazon.com/dp/1441906231/ref=onegialeafou-20. In the first part of the program, Dr. Bourland introduced us to the subject of space food and nutrition, told us how he just happened to get into this field when he finished his PhD, and what the food program with NASA was like when he first joined the organization. Its a fascinating history focusing on subjects we don't often have the opportunity to talk about on The Space Show. Our discussion was wide ranging including the use of food additives, the space toilet, body waste, radiation, food digestion, calcium, food transit times, and iron in microgravity. We also talked about why there is no cooking of food in space, toxics even from baking a loaf of bread, and much more. Questions were asked about taste, appetite, and odor in space. We talked about possible gender differences in nutrition and diet. You might be surprised with what you hear Dr. Bourland say on these subjects. In our second segment, we compared food and food preparation onboard a submarine to what goes on in space with astronauts. Dr. Bourland brought us current with calorie counting in space, astronaut food and menu choices and more. He was asked about alcohol in space and you might find it interesting the difference with the US versus the Russian ISS crews. Dr. Bourland told us about the Coke and Pepsi wars, beverage use in space, why no soft drinks are now used given the carbon dioxide and what this does in microgravity. In our third and final segment, we started off talking about iodized food. They use no iodized salt as the water contains sufficient quantities of it. This is an interesting story so don't miss it. We looked to the future of space food and learned that it will likely be vegetarian. Listen to the explanation for this. Charles told us about various experiments that have been done regarding live food, even with goldfish (not the crackers!). We even talked about the space food pill that seems to enter discussions from time to time. As you will hear, we need the consistency and the chewing to absorb the nutrition. Don't miss this discussion. Toward the end of the show talked about possible differences in a space tourist diet and nutritional requirements from that of a trained astronaut. Charles had some interesting points about this as there is no doubt that at some point down the road there will be a need for long duration spaceflight food and nutrition for tourists. Later he said the ideal space food was fresh and following fresh was frozen. He goes through the entire list of food formats and ranks them as to their quality. If you have a question or comment for Dr. Charles Bourland, you can email him at cbourlan@dishmail.net. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:48:14 UTC
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OPEN LINES, Friday, 1-22-10 (85.34MB; download) -- Guest: OPEN LINES. Topics: Space policy, Rasmussen space polls, science and technology for the future, space advocacy. Today's program was OPEN LINES and extended beyond the two hour time due to a last minute 11th hour listener phone call. In segment one, I read a series of questions from listener Kelly that came in by email and we made those discussion topics, focusing on the viability of commercial space and comparing them to civil space programs. I also put forth some possible discussion topics for the show including the two recent Rasmussen space polls on NASA funding and the Space Shuttle, a FastFuture report from the UK titled "The Shape Of Jobs To Come: Possible new Careers Emerging from Advances In Science and Technology (2010-2030)," orbital propellant depots, and more. Segment two covered space policy and propellant depot comments which resulted in listener calls, questions, and comments. See what you think of what was said in this segment. Toward the end of this period, the issue of the regulatory environment came up and we talked about the probability of increasing regulation on orbital launchers regarding space debris mitigation. Our third segment focused on the FastFuture report and I read the ten conclusions of the report on the air. We also started talking about space advocacy. In the fourth and final segment, we discussed space advocacy, Ares 1, congressional funding, and "playing" the game. Listener questions focused on how to get congressional attention, government funding, and what might be a desirable plan or action for space enthusiasts to take to move us faster along in becoming space-fairing. I brought up the upcoming Space Show Classroom series and talked about some of the programs and an idea for a new Classroom session dealing with what we should do and how to implement such a plan. The introduction for The Space Show Classroom is Tuesday, Feb. 2 and trust me, you don't want to miss this show. If you have questions for me or anyone who called or commented on this program, please send y our email to drspace@thespaceshow.com. I will forward it as necessary. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:49:30 UTC
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Donald Davis, Tuesday, 1-19-10 (41.84MB; download) -- Guest: Donald Davis. Topics: Space art, space colonization, space history, and space vision. Our guest, Donald Davis, noted space artist and animator, talked about his art, space history, future projects, and space vision ideas. You can learn more about Don, his art, work, and projects by visiting www.donaldedavis.com. In our first segment, Don told us how he got started in the field of space art. The Life book, "The World We Live In' and his early work with the U.S. Geological Survey were significant influences as was Apollo and the early space program. He shared some of his Cosmos and Carl Sagan experiences with us and in response to questions, commented that space art in the publishing world has been on a steady decline for years, having peaked in the 1950s. He also talked about the impact on his generation of magazines and publications such as the Illustrated London News, sci-fi magazines, and Colliers. At the end of this segment, we talked about the new digital age and the International Association of Astronomical Artists. Our second segment started out with a detailed discussion of Don's work regarding the true colors on Mars and the May 1985 Sky and Telescope Colors of the Universe issue by Andrew T. Young of the Viking Imaging Team. Don't miss this discussion of the Mars and universe color chips, the actual Martian colors, and how to know if you are looking at preliminary jpeg photos that do not show the actual Martian colors. Don had much to say on this issue and suggested the Jim Bell websites as an excellent source for accurate Martian pictures, http://marswatch.astro.cornell.edu. In this segment, Don also shared his ideas on UFO's and aliens, we talked about the movie Avatar, and we began a discussion on space settlement and colonization regarding the work of Dr. Gerard K. O'Neill. Don talked about the importance to all humanity for space colonization, the required funding, should it be public, private or a mix and the contribution SSP might make to these development plans. Caller John asked Don about his impact painting series regarding Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9. Don't miss what Don had to say about impacts as well as how Apollo peaked his interest. When I asked if the ISS inspired him, he said he did not find it exciting. He then introduced us to the idea of full dome video productions and full dome planetariums. He mentioned several of his full dome projects and told us more about his space art. As we started our third and final segment, Don said this was a time of opportunity, he referenced the Rasmussen polls, and as a result of a listener question, said that he does have a full dome space colonization short film almost ready to go. You will want to hear about this project. I asked him how much it would cost to make this film and the estimate was $300-$500,000. I asked him to explain more fully full dome units and he talked about tilted domes and identified a few planetariums built as tilted full dome units. When asked what he thought might be the best destination for our civil space policy, he said that for now it was the Moon. He also talked about unmanned exploration, virtual exploration, and a virtual participatory idea for lunar exploration that could involve those of us unable to visit the Moon. You will love his idea so listen carefully. Near the end of the show, when asked for his suggestions on what we can all do to help expedite the type of space development and vision talked about on this program, Don suggested spreading the word to our friends and associates, a word of mouth campaign. If you have questions or comments for Don Davis, he can be reached through his website above or the address listed on that site, DonDavis at TheGrid (dot) net. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:24:15 UTC
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Jeff Greason, Monday, 1-18-10 (64.77MB; download) -- Guest: Jeff Greason. Topics. Augustine Commission, commercial space, advanced technology, orbital fuel depots and propellant storage, and XCOR Aerospace. Jeff Greason, CEO of XCOR Aerospace and a member of the Augustine Commission Panel was our guest for this incredible two hour ten minute program. Rather than describe this program segment by segment, let me say that Jeff started out talking about the Augustine Commission work, spent some time talking about XCOR and Lynx near the end of the show, but then returned to the space policy and the Augustine Commission discussion as the show drew to an end. In listening to this program, you will hear in a logical progression of a complete and thorough analysis of the Augustine Commission suggestions and work. Jeff does a comprehensive explanation of the flexible path and you must hear it. He does the same for discussions about heavy lift and astronaut safety and this or that rocket or piece of hardware. He took us through a risk evaluation discussion that was equally important. We addressed solids versus liquid rockets, the importance of a rocket track record, and buying commercial instead of procurement. He talked about the reality of bending metal and making something versus view graphs or Power Points only. He fielded great supportive as well as critical questions, both with callers and through email and chat. His explanations for commercial space as used in the Augustine Commission were excellent and his discussion on NASA culture is memorable. We also talked about advanced propulsion and the extreme importance of bringing new technology on line, but the difficulty NASA has in doing so. Jeff emphasized the need for orbital fuel depots and propellant storage. In the last segment we spent time talking about XCOR, South Korea, and the Lynx vehicle, but listeners took us right back to space policy and the Augustine Commission. I urge each of you to listen to the full show. Jeff Greason did an outstanding job of presenting the work, the issues, and analytical processes that were used by the Augustine Commission while facing very hard and challenging issues addressed in their report. If you have questions or comments for Jeff Greason, please send them to me at drspace@thespaceshow.com and I will be more than happy to forward them to Mr. Greason. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:19:29 UTC
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Jim McDade, Sunday, 1-17-10 (63.07MB; download) -- Guest: Jim McDade. Topics: space polls, Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel, Constellation, Direct. Jim McDade was our guest for this Space Show program, discussing a wide variety of topics from recent Rasmussen space polls, the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP), and much more. In segment one, we jumped right into the Rasmussen poll showing 50% of Americans favor a cut in NASA spending. You can find the poll at www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/january_2010/50_favor_cutting_back_on_space_exploration. In addition, check out this Rasmussen poll showing only about 40% of Americans believe the Space Shuttle has been worth the cost, www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/january_2010/only_40_believe_space_shuttle_has_been_worth_the_cost. As you will hear with listener Jack, questions were asked about the bias in the poll questions, but I also said there was bias in what Jack was suggesting. The real problem that Jim and I agreed upon is the significant disconnect in the value of space as seen and understood by space enthusiasts as opposed to the general public, even those designing and implementing the Rasmussen polls. Listen to the discussion and let us know what you think. Later in this segment, we discussed the recently released 2009 Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel Annual Report. You can find out more about this report at www.hq.nasa.gov/office/oer/asap/index.html. We also discussed some the panel's critical safety findings. As we started our second segment, Jim responded to a listener question about the future of Ares 1 and heavy lift. This led Jim to a detailed discussion which lasted throughout the two hour program regarding President Obama's potential space policy and his history on space announcements. We talked about Direct 3.0 as compared to Ares 1 and 5 and the economic impact in changing to Direct both in Alabama and Florida. As you will hear, Jim believes the impact is much greater in Florida and there is going to be significant congressional resistance to changing any part of Constellation in the upcoming space policy announcement. Jim discussed the loss of about 7,000 shuttle workers in Florida and said that if the commercial option is taken, it would only add back about 1,700 jobs on the space coast. Mr. McDade took us into some of the shuttle issues about keeping it flying, including the fact that SMEs cannot be restarted. He talked about sunk costs on Ares 1 and Ares 5 development so far and the safety issues of putting the crew on SRBs adjacent to liquids. Listen to this discussion and see what you think. I then provided my usual rant about NASA getting out of the rocket design and build industry, instead using the commercial sector to build our rockets as true commercial ventures. In segment 3, we continued a discussion on cost plus contractors, quality control, and private contractors, not just for space hardware but in general. Jack in Virginia asked for Jim's assessment of where our space program would be in 2012 and how it would track over the coming years. Toward the end of this segment, I brought up the new movie Avatar and we talked about what sells, the movie theme, and James Cameron and his space awareness. If you have comments or questions for Jim McDade, please contact him at moonshot@uab.edu. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:27:03 UTC
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Dr. John Hunter, Friday, 1-15-10 (58.86MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. John Hunter. Topics: Hydrogen gas gun, low cost space access, space physics and engineering. Dr. John Hunter, President of Quicklaunch, Inc, was our guest today to discuss the hydrogen gas gun for launching payloads to space. Please visit their website at www.quicklaunchinc.com. I urge you to listen to Dr. Hunter's Google talk which you can access by clicking on the arrow on the Quicklaunch home page. In our first segment, Dr. Hunter provided us with an overview of the Quicklaunch gas gun, the rocket assisted second stage, and the physics/engineering supporting the use of the hydrogen gas gun. Several skeptical listeners called or sent in questions and at times our discussion was technical, dealing with the drag on the vehicle, the shape of the vehicle to withstand very high G loads and stresses. Dr. Hunter went through the physics and engineering, plus the history of similar hydrogen gas guns and other projects in the past, including SHARP with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. See what you think of these discussions and the data. In our second segment, Dr. Hunter was asked some comparison questions regarding the Space Shuttle, Space X, building an RLV, and the cost to space with a chemical rocket. Later in segment, he outlined his four phase plan for Quicklaunch, including the time frame for each phase. Listen carefully to these plans with Phase 1 starting at White Sands as a demo or stunt phase. He also talked about payload sizes for each phase all the way up to 1,000 lb. payloads unless the gun is made larger. Note what he had to say about demos and stunts as his comments may surprise you. As you will hear, eventually in the later phases, the Quicklaunch gun would be mostly underwater. Before the segment ended, we talked about the materials used for the gas gun including high strength aluminum 70-75 and Toray 740. In our third segment, Dr. Hunter received some questions about guidance control and the 25 degree inclination used for the gun. Our guest said there would be no rifling in the gun's barrel as it had to be smooth bore. He fielded additional questions about velocity loss due to drag. Don't miss this comprehensive discussion of the specs. He also described the dimensions of the gun and using a version of it from the Moon or even Mars. Our guest provided us with a thorough economic analysis of lunar vs. Martian access and this is a must listen to discussion. The program Dr. Hunter talked about requires orbital propellant depots and other space infrastructure. Listen to what he said in this part of the discussion about the traditional aerospace and Military Industrial Complex in building this infrastructure as opposed to Quicklaunch providing the space infrastructure. Toward the end of this segment, we talked about why we go to space, the importance of human space exploration, and connecting space with the interests of the general public. Our fourth and final segment started off with a space elevator discussion and then Dr. Hunter provided us with his three top choices for launch systems. We veered off topic to discuss his experiences with helping to build armored gun vehicles for use in Iraq. Near the end of the program, Dr. Hunter commented on the U.S. Civil Space Program and its impact on Quicklaunch. Listen to what he had to say about that. His last question dealt with SSP which he said was non-trivial. Don't miss all his comments on space solar power. If you have questions or comments for Dr. John Hunter, please send them to me at drspace@thespaceshow.com and I will forward them to Dr. Hunter. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:32:34 UTC
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John Vornle, Tuesday, 1-12-10 (49.12MB; download) -- Guest: John Vornle. Topics: Space business finance, SSP, private equity solutions to develop space commerce. John Vornle of Long Term Capital was our guest for this program to discuss private space business capital acquisition models using space based solar energy. In our first segment, Mr. Vornle outlined three methods of financing space projects including the traditional government solution, public/private partnerships, and private equity financing which was the main topic for tonight's program. In discussing private equity solutions, he talked about the banking and lending component, insurance, and the different categories and phases for investors. He also introduced us to the exit strategies most likely to be used for each phase or category of investment. Mr. Vornle explained the risks, how bankers and equity investors view the situation and he put forth the case as to why now is the time for developing space based energy. Toward the end of this segment, our guest pointed out that as of now, we have no political will to move such a space energy company forward but then he mentioned some developing signs of hope in this area. Listen carefully and see what you think. In the second segment, Mr. Vornle outlined the private equity solution advantages for pursuing this investment model and for pursuing an SSP energy company. We talked at length about the market cost for electricity and said that it needed to be set by third parties, there needed to be corporate profits and the payment of corporate taxes. This took us into an extensive discussion on why utility companies were not the best source of SSP energy company development. You need to listen to this comprehensive discussion as its about the need to develop and implement new, cost effective technology and why the utility company model does not work. As we started the third and final segment, we talked about financial returns on investment associated risks. John stressed the need for simplicity. Invest in a C-Corp, own stock, know exactly what percentage of the company you own, and seek a capital gains investment. He outlined for us suggested ROIs for the various phases of equity investment. Market timing was discussed as were space investments not suitable for equity investment but more for visionaries or grant financing. Later in the segment, he said the most important thing to do is to change the political will of the U.S. system to support the business development that has been discussed on this show. Toward the end of the segment, he described the contingency power purchase agreement which is at the root of the plan discussed. If you have questions or comments for John Vornle, please send them to longtermcapital@cs.com or to me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.
Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:51:01 UTC
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Dr. John Jurist, Monday, 1-11-10 (43.64MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. John Jurist. Topics: Space medicine and women's health issues, bone loss, microgravity. Dr. John Jurist was our guest for this show which focused on how our modern spaceflight technology has contributed not only to cutting edge women's health care, but better healthcare for us all over several past decades. In segment one, Dr. Jurist introduced us to the issue of bone loss (osteoporosis), especially with women, and the role played in the early space medicine research in detecting, measuring, and developing counter measures in microgravity which were subsequently applied to medicine in general. Dr. Jurist takes us through this fascinating early history, helping us to understand its significance for women's health issues of today and in fact to medicine for us all. Understanding this history and the NASA involvement is important as we learn new ways to value our civil and specifically our human spaceflight program. Clearly, space medicine research and human spaceflight have proved beneficial for people's health all over this planet. Later in this segment, Dr. Jurist talked about the development of the main osteoporosis medicines, the bisphosphonates. We also talked about bone metabolism, the immune system and related radiation issues. Trust me, you won't hear this discussion anyplace else! We started the second segment with a call from listener and former Space Show guest Dr. Bill Row. Dr. Rowe was inquiring about CO2 levels and calcium metabolism in humans. This was a very important question and dialog with Dr. Jurist. Don't miss it. Also in this segment, we talked about the miniaturization of electronics which resulted from the space industry and how this development has positively impacted emergency rooms, intensive care units, recovery rooms, operating rooms, and remote emergency treatment and equipment. John continued telling us about the history of human spaceflight medicine and the companies that got involved in making equipment and product in this industry. Questions were asked regarding protein crystal growth and pharmacology in spaceflight. We talked about exercise in microgravity and the need for weight bearing activities as they seemed to be most useful in maintaining bone mass in microgravity. Dr. Jurist fielded questions on space tourism for people with osteoporosis and pointed out that the main problem might be in the G-force acceleration upon reentry. We talked about the need for proper health checks prior to going to space, the need for centrifuge testing, and for an aerospace medicine doctor to evaluate the spaceflight participant's medical history, not just an ordinary doctor unfamiliar with space medicine issues. In the third and final segment, Dr. Jurist introduced us to telemedicine which was greatly enhanced by original funding through the NIH to use satellite communications equipment to enhance health care deliver to remote areas. Today, telemedicine is common around the world and continuing to develop. Don't miss this important connection with spaceflight research and development. Dr. Jurist was asked if space medicine developments and the benefits provided a good selling point for additional civil space program funding. He responded yes and added that in the face of trillion dollar deficits, the amount of money we spend on NASA and space is very minor and would likely not even be noticed, but he did stress that space medicine benefits are not widely understood even within the space industry, let alone within the general public and they should be. If you have a comment or question for Dr. John Jurist, you can send your comment through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com or you can use jmjspaceATaolDOTcom. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:51:58 UTC
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Dr. Philip Chapman, Sunday, 1-10-10 (45.43MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Phil Chapman. Topics: SSP, Climate issues, RLVs. Dr. Phil Chapman returned to The Space Show with this program to discuss space solar power satellites, climate issues, and commercial space launchers in comparison to traditional government launchers. You can learn more by visiting Dr. Chapman's blog which will be operational in a few days, www.pkchapman.com. In our first segment, Phil talked about solar powered satellites and climate issues. He was very clear in pointing out the scientific problems with carbon climate claims and cited several scientific facts and studies as reference. He also talked about the political mindset of politicians and their either disregard of science or ignorance. Phil provided several reputable organizations and websites that follow important solar changes and influences which impact Earth's climate. We talked about sunspots and other solar influences and I asked him about sunspots playing a minor role in our climate given recent Space Show programs with other guests. Phil cited recent reviewed studies saying just the opposite so listen to what he had to say. We also talked about energy solutions for the developing and poor nations and the impact of the UN policies as well as some conservation methods on available energy to these nations. At the end of this segment, Dr. Rygalov asked about SPS, space development and a possible time frame extending to 2050. Listen to his question which I read from his email and what Dr. Chapman had to say in response. As we started the second segment which went through the end of the show (no third segment today), Charles called form Mojave to express some of his alternative views and solutions and found some common agreement with Phil. You want to hear this conversation, for sure. Phil then talked about ground based fusion, the work of Dr. Bussard which is continuing, and Tokomaks which he criticized. Jack asked him for the three most promising new technologies for low cost energy and as you will hear, Dr. Chapman suggested nuclear with Gen 5 reactors, SSP, and alternative fusion based on boron. In returning to the SSP discussion, he said the business case closes if launch costs are low enough and we need the RLV to lower launch costs. Jack asked him why he was opposed to the Space Shuttle and Phil responded with a comprehensive answer which you do not want to miss. Lee sent in an email question asking about gov. interference over time in the development of an SSP demo project. Phil responded that he was not supportive of a demo project and you will want to hear his full reasoning in this part of the discussion. He also advocated the private sector doing SSP, not government. We then talked about improvements needed in the North American power grid. He said the improvements and costs depend on what one wants to do with the grid and the type and method selected for adding new power supplies to the grid. We asked Dr. Chapman about the Solaren and PG&E business deal to bring space solar power to PG&E customers. I pushed Phil to the wall on this and asked what additional percent he was willing to pay PG& to receive space solar power. Listen to his response. Rectennas were discussed as was the effectiveness of space advocacy. Phil advocated NSS for its library on SSP material. In concluding, he said the issues facing space development and society are not technical, they are political. He urged us to pay attention and make sure those in office respond to the people they serve and not play politics with our future. How we accomplish this remains to be seen. If you have a comment or question for Dr. Phil Chapman, please send it to philchapmanATsbcglobalDOTnet. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:52:54 UTC
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