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The Space Show
The Space Show focuses on timely and important issues influencing the development of outer-space commerce, space tourism,space exploration and space development. The Space Show is committed to facilitating our becoming a space-faring nation and society with a growing and self-sustaining space-faring economy. The Space Show also focuses on other related subjects of interest to us all.
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Declan O'Donnell, Sunday, 9-13-09 (45.00MB; download) -- Guest: Declan O'Donnell. Topics: space governance, United Societies in Space, science development. Declan O'Donnell returned as The Space Show guest to discuss space governance and the unique concept of the Space Authority Bank as a way to finance space development. During Segment 1, Declan provided us with the basics for this discussion starting with the five United Nations space treaties, the basics of space governance, and a comparison of the U.S. concept of space as a frontier as contrasted to the Canadian experience of frontier development with their Mounties. We talked about our society being more risk averse to creating another "Old West" type of experience with regards to space development. Declan then described the United Societies in Space (USIS) as a supplemental treaty system. Please listen to this discussion and see what you think. Through space governance, an Authority is created and he explained the Authority as something similar to the UN creating another nation. That nation would then create money as would the Authority. The Authority would back its money with space assets. Listen to the explanation and let Declan know what you think of this idea. In Segment 2, we talked about the need to advance more in our scientific knowlege to be better prepared to implement the Authority. Declan thought the timing was still off and that going slow was just fine. We discussed the time table and our readiness throughout this segment. Declan also explained the Regency and the issue of chance or serendipity in terms of scientific progress came up and Declan acknowledged that this could impact the time line in a very positive way. In Segment 3, the Regency or ROUSIS was discussed and explained in detail. He also theorized that after 9/11, space development, even attendance at space conferences took a nose dive and was only now starting to recover but the global economic conditions were now a strong negative factor to consider. When asked what we need to move forward, Declan said more science, heavy lift vehicles, and lots more education. Toward the end of the show we talked about barter clubs as barter is an essential part of creating the currency for The Authority. If you have comments or questions for Declan, you can reach him on his toll free number, 1-800-632-2828. If you want to email him, please do so through me but be advised he is not as prompt with email responses as we would like. I strongly recommend you use the toll free number to contact him about space if you have an interest in space governance, USIS, or if you have a comment or question for him. You can always send an email comment or question for him through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:14:29 UTC
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David Hook, Saturday, 9-12-09 (61.05MB; download) -- Guest: David Hook: Topics: Aviation and space security, corporate espionage, space tourism, no fly lists. David Hook returned as our guest for this Space Show program to discuss airport, aviation, general aviation, and space security post 9/11. In Segment 1, we started out by calling your attention to the series of interviews that Mr. Hook has done and does with people in the aviation and space industry. You can see these interviews at http://aviationandspacetv.com/aboutus.aspx. This led us to a discussion of the application of business fundamentals to the space industry. Both David and I talked about this but I also brought in some of my observations from having visited ATK to see the Ares 1 SRB static engine test. Mr. Hook took the opportunity to talk about a much needed ITAR reform and then we talked about corporate espionage in the aviation industry and in other industries. David related the corporate espionage to ITAR issues but we also talked about corporate espionage and security issues among American companies. As Segment 2 started, we continued with space security and commercial space as well as space tourism although as Mr. Hook pointed out, today most of the space security is focused on protecting the uninvolved public and property. We talked about the application of the Do Not Fly list to space travel and David made some interesting points so don't miss this discussion. We also talked about potential regulatory turf battles between TSA and the AST regarding space travel. Again, don't miss the discussion. As to security in general, he said that since 9/11, western societies in particular have had to learn and absorb a security consciousness. In response to a question about TSA searching grandmothers, he said everyone has to be treated as an equal, otherwise the terrorists would be able to exploit the weakness . In Segment 3, Mr. Hook spoke to us about the three elements of physical security which include consequences, threats and tactics, and vulnerabilities. We talked about the dollar value for risks as this allows the risks to be prioritized. Listeners asked him about the security tests that always seem to find breeches and security holes. You will want to hear what Mr. Hook had to say about this, security tests in general, and the need for them to be transparent, even when security is breeched. He brought to our attention recent efforts to require commercial aviation pilots to have an ID badge for each and every airport they use but this is under protest. He felt the need for identity security was less in general aviation. You will want to hear his reasoning on this. In Segment 4, we talked about security protocols now in place with private aircraft, pilots, airports, etc. In fact, insurance companies often require security enhancement for the planes, cockpits, and airports before they issue coverage. Listener Reda brought up the number of airports in the US and out of 20,000, only about 450 have TSA protection. Reda also asked about helicopter safety. Mr. Hook said that if some of the measures now being considered by congress are actually passed, it could be economically devastating for the general aviation industry. Its important to hear what Mr. Hook had to say about the regulatory potential facing this industry. The AOPA was brought as was a program that the organization supports, the Air Watch Program. Another listener brought up issues such as the Osprey and how vehicles like this may be designed for safety from the start. In his concluding remarks, David Hook stressed the need to run airports as a business and he said that people are the bottom line to security be it for aviation or space. If you have questions or comments for David Hook, please send them to him at david.hook@spaceflightsecurity.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:19:45 UTC
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Dr. James Dewar, Tuesday, 9-8-09 (46.65MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. James Dewar. Topic: nuclear rocket, breaking the taboo, private space development and industrialization. Dr. James Dewar was our guest to discuss his new Apogee published book, "The Nuclear Rocket: Making Our Plane Green, Peaceful and Prosperous." This book and his earlier book, "To The End Of The Solar System: The Story of the Nuclear Rocket," will soon be on the One Giant Leap Foundation book page as an Amazon partner. Buying these books from the One Giant Leap Amazon link allows Amazon to financially support The Space Show. Please see .www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/books.htm. In Segment 1, Dr. Dewar provided us with an overview of the nuclear rocket and its history. We talked about the potential, its high ISP, and the basics of how the nuclear rocket works plus why its safe. Our caller asked about the old records and what was available to use in starting the program again versus what would have to be done from scratch. As you will hear, lots of files and records were lost but there still exists data from Los Alamos and other research locations and companies. I asked Dr. Dewar what would be changed with modern engineering and he suggested many thing but focused on slush hydrogen. We also talked about the Rover/NERVA project the tensile strength of graphite and how that was improved upon. In this segment, Dr. Dewar introduced us to the idea of breaking the taboo and using the nuclear rocket to launch to LEO from Earth. He talked about the lifting potential of the nuclear rocket based on 1968 Rocketdyne tests. In Segment 2, our caller asked Dr. Dewar to explain his Space Charter Authority (SCA) concept. Don't miss this discussion. We also asked Dr. Dewar how the nuclear rocket led to peaceful and green programs. Again, don't miss this discussion. Later in this segment and at the start of Segment 3, the issue of fear and concern regarding nuclear came up, especially in the context of the nuclear bomb/weapons programs with Iran, North Korea and others. Also in the final segment, Dr. Dewar stressed the need to do the necessary studies as part of the process to move forward with developing the nuclear rocket program including the policy programs essential to supporting it. In this segment, Jim described the NASA free launch program as an incentive to involve lots of people and inspire the public to participate and benefit from the nuclear rocket program. We talked about a literature search for nuclear rocket papers in recent conferences which Dr. Dewar pointed out usually addressed going from LEO to Mars. Breaking the taboo to go from Earth to LEO with the nuclear rocket is the program Dr. Dewar outlines in his book. If you have questions or comments for Dr. Dewar, please email them to me at drspace@thespaceshow.com and I will forward them to him. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:23:12 UTC
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Dr. Haym Benaroya, Monday, 9-7-09 (45.42MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Haym Benaroya. Topics: Lunar settlement and structures, Augustine Panel, human spaceflight, return to the Moon. Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University was our guest for this program to discuss his two new books as well as lunar settlements. His books will be out around the first of the year are "Lunar Settlements" published by CRS Press and also "Turning Dust to Gold" published by Praxis-Springer. The latter book presents a futuristic view on lunar settlements and human exploration and settlement of the Solar System, covering engineering, science, commerce, space elevators, biology, and more. During the first segment, Dr. Benaroya talked about both books and agreed to join us again on the show when both are available, probably early in 2010. We asked Dr. Benaroya why his Dust to Gold book takes place in 2169 and learned that it was to honor the 200th anniversary of man walking on the Moon. During this segment, we started talking about the Augustine Panel and the future of human spaceflight and the Moon, Mars, or a NEO, a theme that reoccurred throughout today's program. In the second segment, Marshall asked about lava tubes for an underground lunar settlement, but Dr. Benaroya, while agreeing they would be good if they existed on the Moon suggested that we would use surface structure for perhaps up to 80 years to develop the needed tools and lunar infrastructure to go underground. Do not miss this discussion. Dr. Rowe sent in a note about lunar dust and Hepa filters. You will not want to miss the discussion about the ultra fine dust on Earth and on the Moon and the filters needed to control them. I asked Dr. Benaroya about inflatable versus rigid structures on the Moon. He said even an inflatable would have to be rigid once it was inflated in order to survive. This is another must hear discussion. During this segment, we also talked about funding lunar missions and space programs and how Congress might divert funding to other projects. This remains a risk as you will hear. In the third segment, we continued talking about inspiration, STEM education, Augustine, and human spaceflight. Haym provided us with a 2020-2025 time line for establishing a realistic lunar settlement if we started today. He also fielded questions about heavy lift and said it was necessary to get the needed mass to the Moon. When asked about on orbit capabilities and smaller rockets, he wondered aloud about our on orbit construction capabilities. Toward the end of the final segment we talked about space policy and visionary leaders. Like many guests, Dr. Benaroya thought that the policy side was much harder than the technical or the financial side regarding human spaceflight and going to the Moon. He also said he did not think we were ready to be able to do a human to Mars mission. You can learn more about Dr. Benaroya's work and you can download many of his papers by visiting his website at .http://coewww.rutgers.edu/~benaroya/. You can send your email questions or comments to him at benaroya@rci.rutgers.edu. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:16:53 UTC
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Brian Shiro, Sunday, 9-6-09 (43.29MB; download) -- Guest: Brian Shiro. Topics: FMARS, Mars analog simulation, life on Devon Island & in the Arctic Circle. Brian Shiro was our guest today to discuss his recent experiences at the Mars Society Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station on Devon Island in the Canadian Arctic (FMARS). Brian has blogged his experiences and you can read about them at http://www.astronautforhire.com as well as the FMARS site, which is http://www.fmars2009.org/ . In the first segment, Brian provided us with an overview of FMARS, Devon Island, Haughton Crater, and the nearby NASA Ames HMP project. Brian explained in part why the area is such a good analog site for Mars including the fact there is no nitrogen in the soil, no life, the cold temperature, etc. We talked about the polar bears in the area, guns and dogs for polar bear defense, and then Brian described a typical work day. If you ever wanted to know what it’s likely going to be like in an isolated habitat or Martian simulation, listen to this show as Brian Shiro does an excellent job taking us through the entire experience. In the second segment, Bryan told us about the science gypsum experiment that they did, heating gypsum to turn it to water. He explained the relevancy of this as gypsum is present on Mars. Don't miss this discussion. In response to one of many listener question, he told us what they did on July 20 to honor the 40th anniversary of Apollo. Don't miss this either. Also in this segment, Brian went into detail about the EVAs, simulated spacesuits, and more. He also talked about other science projects and medical tests done for this season's FMARS group. ITAR issues were discussed given that FMARS is in Canada and we talked about how the FMARS participants distribute their work and science writings/papers to the larger academic and conference communities. In the third segment, we started off talking about the voluntary communication delays at FMARS which simulate reality on Mars. The participants agree to a twenty minute delay on all communications. Listen to this discussion. We also compared FMARS to the Mars Society Desert Research Station in Utah as there are some similarities, but differences as well. A listener asked about psychological issues for the crew in keeping with known issues that exist with long duration spaceflight. You do not want to miss the information Brian shared with us on this important topic. Toward the end of the program, a listener asked if FMARS was green in its energy usage and used solar. As it turns out, it’s been considered, but for now they still use diesel generators. Joe who was on the FMARS team this year and will return next year sent in a message that there is an effort to get a wind turbine up on the ridge as there is plenty of wind at Devon Island where FMARS is located. Brian described recycling, water usage, garbage prep and as you will see, the FMARS project has a very high conservationist attitude and approach. If you have questions for Brian Shiro, you can use the contact link on his website, http://www.astronautforhire.com/2006/12/contact.html . In addition, you can email him at brian.shiro@gmail.com .
Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:16:29 UTC
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Dr. Pat Hynes, Friday, 9-4-09 (61.17MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Pat Hynes: Topics: International Symposium for Personal and Commercial Spaceflight (ISPCS), commercial human spaceflight, flight safety. Dr. Patricia (Pat) Hynes returned to The Space Show to discuss the upcoming ISPCS for this year, Oct. 21-22, 2009, in Las Cruces, NM. To learn more about the Symposium and for travel and registration information, please visit http://www.ispcs.com . In the first segment, Dr. Hynes provided us with an overview of this year’s ISPCS and we spoke about the symposium which is entitled "Delivering on the Promise of Spaceflight for Mankind." Pat introduced us to the flight safety panel and provided us with the parameters of flight safety for commercial spaceflight that would be examined by the panel. We talked about the keynote by Gary Payton, Deputy Undersecretary of the Air Force, Space Systems, and we discussed the conference hotel and online registration. Please note that the block of rooms being held at Hotel Encanto in Las Cruces expires on Sept. 11. In the second segment, we continued talking about conference logistics and facilities, and then focused on the OPS Panel presentation. Pat mentioned that 60% of operating costs are spent on ground operations and that the panel would examine that fact. We continued with the topic of human spaceflight and the proper scaling of it to meet the needs of the developing commercial industry. You will definitely want to hear what Dr. Hynes said about the extremes of both sides of this issue. A listener asked about the business focus of the symposium and if that had something to do with the fact that Pat has her PhD in Business Administration rather than in a science or engineering field. Pat discussed her perspective in some detail, do not miss it. In the third segment, Dr. Hynes mentioned the Augustine Panel programming on the agenda. She also said there would be a panel discussion noting that 40% of the people who have signed up for a ride on Virgin are pilots. This panel, led by NASA's Michael "LA" Lopez-Alegria, will look at the pilot experience relative to suborbital spaceflight participation. Point to Point travel was also mentioned in this segment as well. Dr. Hynes then referenced the Imaginvoa survey that will be part of a panel discussion. Another panel looks at technology and engineering to see what can enable research universities and the forward progress of this industrial development. Toward the end of this segment, we talked about the Ice Hotel in Sweden and applied some lessons learned with the Ice Hotel to commercial space development. The Ice Hotel will be part of a symposium presentation. In the fourth segment, we learned that Dr. Alan Stern will direct a panel to examine the suborbital future extending beyond space tourism to include the university research and development market. In the spaceport section of the program, not only is New Mexico's own Spaceport America discussed, but there will be representatives present from Florida, Sweden, and Abu Dhabi. Toward the end of the program, Dr. Hynes reminded us that there is an Early Bird Registration that closes soon, that attire can be casual, and that the money from this symposium all goes to students as this is a workforce development program. If you have any questions or comments for Dr. Pat Hynes or about the ISPCs, please use the Contact page on their website, http://spacegrant.nmsu.edu/ispcs/contact_us.html . Or you can email your comment or question to nmsgc@nmsu.edu . If you do this, please reference The Space Show in the subject line. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:42:13 UTC
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Paul Lithgow, Monday, 8-31-09 (32.78MB; download) -- Guest: Paul Lithgow. Topics: aerospace engineering, micro & nanosatellite technology, Comtech AeroAstro opportunities. The Space Show sat down with Comtech AeroAstro President Paul Lithgow at the recent SmallSat Conference at Utah State University in Logan, Utah for this interview. We were joined by Space Show friend and One Giant Leap Foundation Board Member, Dr. John Jurist. I first learned of Comtech AeroAstro at the most recent Responsive Space Conference and arranged to meet Mr. Lithgow during SmallSat and talk small satellite and space security business with him. This program is a one hour program designed to fit the KKNW 1150 AM Monday show requirements. During our discussion with Mr. Lithgow, we covered many topics including career opportunities, especially for college graduates, with Comtech AeroAstro, as well as the business and market for micro and nano satellites. Aerospace engineering was an important topic as was space policy, the role of space in our national security, and the importance of STEM education and our need to turn out more engineers. Comtech AeroAstro is a great example, a terrific role model of the type of space company you hear me talk about frequently on The Space Show that I meet at SmallSat and Responsive Space. As you will hear during our discussion with Mr. Lithgow, not only does the company do the engineering and make the products, they understand the business, the markets, financing, and all the components required to be a successful commercial space business. You will also want to hear what Paul had to say about regulation creep, mission failure concerns, and risk tolerance. While this is a short interview in terms of time, its action packed with important information. It’s a program you will not want to miss. If you have a question or comment for Paul Lithgow, or if you want to learn more about Comtech AeroAstro, send an email to info@aeroastro.com . Please make sure you reference The Space Show with Mr. Lithgow in the subject line of your email. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:37:34 UTC
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Dr. George Nield, Sunday, 8-30-09 (43.43MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. George Nield. Topics: personal spaceflight regulations, Office of Commercial Space Transportation within FAA, launch license. Dr. George Nield returned to The Space Show to update us on changes in space policy and regulation per the AST. For more information, visit their website at http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/ . Dr. Nield told us about the many changes and developments within the FAA and AST since his last appearance on the show in the summer of 2008. We also talked about the potential impact of the Augustine Panel on the work of the AST, the increase in the number of companies working with AST on some part of the license process, the administrative costs of acquiring a launch license, the difference between a launch license and an experimental permit, and much more. Dr. Nield explained the two pronged approach and mission of AST including ensuring protection of the public, property, and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States during commercial launch or reentry activities as well as to facilitate U.S. commercial space transportation. One listener question that came in during the second segment dealt with the question of how high is space. Listen to the discussion and what Dr. Nield said because the AST is not charged with being concerned with altitude. This question led us to understanding the law, the use of rocket propulsion, and the requirement that the engine thrust be greater than the lift. As we approached the end of the second segment, the role of human spaceflight and commercial spaceflight was discussed in terms of being inspirational, and leading to more STEM education. As part of this discussion, Dr. Nield suggested that public/private partnerships for space development offered much promise. In the final segment of today's program, Dr. Nield discussed the Lunar Lander Challenge and the new rules making it different this year from previous years. Charles called the show to ask him about AST's interest in non-human spaceflight. You won't want to miss this discussion. Toward the end of the program, I asked George about the recurring obstacles or challenges he comes upon in terms of resisting commercial space development and human spaceflight. I'm sure you will find the examples he provides us of such challenges, plus my comments regarding some of the press questions at the recently held NASA/ATK press conference after the aborted Ares 1 five segment SRB test of last week, very interesting. If you have comments or questions for Dr. George Nield about today's show or the AST, please see the contact information at the AST website, www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/contact/ . You can also send your comments in care of me at drspace@thespaceshow.com and I will forward them to Dr. Nield. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:29:17 UTC
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Dr. Leik Myrabo, Friday, 8-28-09 (60.73MB; download) -- Guest: Dr. Leik Myrabo. Topics: Lightcraft, Beamed Energy Power, low cost space access. Dr. Leik Myrabo returned to The Space Show for this program to discuss beamed energy propulsion (BEP) as well as his new book recently published by Apogee, "Lightcraft Flight Handbook LTI-20." This book is available at http://www.amazon.com/dp/1926592034?tag=onegialeafou-20 . The book is co-authored by Dr. John Lewis. Your purchase through Amazon partners using the URL above helps The Space Show. During the first segment, we discussed the Lightcraft Technology Company and the basics of BEP. This led us to a discussion about possible weapons in space issues and Dr. Myrabo said that there would have to be international regimes and policy in order to regulate BEP and account for every jewel of energy transmitted this way. You do not want to miss this discussion. Toward the end of this segment, Dr. Myrabo discussed the boost phase, the need for a sunbelt location and the beamed energy range at White Sands. In the second segment, Dr. Myrabo said that a million watts of energy was needed to lift one kilo off Earth. This is another discussion you will want to hear. We also talked about the costs of going commercial which he broke down as $10-20 million for Phase 1 and $50-60 million for Phase 2. Listen to his discussion for the full details on these costs. A listener asked him about scaling up BEP to do large scale projects. He responded that there were engineering challenges, but all of the challenges used today's physics, nothing futuristic, and that engineering challenges can be met. He cited some examples you will want to hear. I also asked him about his work with the U.S. Air Force and the Brazilian Air Force. Leik received listener questions about some of the futuristic human factors mentioned in the book and Dr. Myrabo pointed out that much of this came from student contributions as more than 200 students have worked on this project from 1992-96. In the third segment, we talked about crew safety for the Lightcraft vehicle in his book and possible methods to allow humans to sustain very high G loads. The subject of using purified water for cooling came up regarding the cooling required for the rectennas and the outside perimeter of the vehicle modelled in the book. One listener suggested lithium and this led us to a green discussion and a more technical exchange about rockets and the air breathing engine that Dr. Myrabo focuses on for his research and book. In the fourth segment, we continued the coolant discussion. I asked Dr. Myrabo about the feedback and reception his ideas receive at space conferences and elsewhere. His response was very interesting and you won't want to miss it. Toward the end of the program, I asked him about SUSTAIN. STEM education and inspiring students was a topic of discussion given the vast experience Dr. Myrabo brings to the table involving teaching graduate and undergraduate students. For more information, please visit his website, http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com . If you have a comment or question for Dr. Leik Myrabo, email him through the website or at lmyrabo@lightcrafttechnologies.com . Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:59:11 UTC
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Open Lines, Tuesday, 8-25-09 (54.47MB; download) -- Guest: Open Lines with David Livingston. Topics: Augustine Panel, space policy, economics. Tonight was an Open Lines program. We started out discussing the preliminary Augustine Panel report, national space policy, and my recent visit to ATK to find out first hand about the Ares 1 rocket. In addition, I talked about media bias and cited a few examples in the space media. This discussion took up most of the first segment. We started Segment 2 with a call from Marshall regarding an article in an Oklahoma paper about the Japanese astronaut on the ISS not changing clothes while on the station. This led to a discussion about washing clothes in space, a space washing machine, and a high school space project about a washing machine for microgravity that I saw at an X Prize Cup event. Charles then called the show and updated us on the N-Prize as well as the new details for this year's Lunar Lander Challenge. You can see the information about the Lunar Lander Challenge by following the instructions I provided on the show for visiting www.hobbyspace.com. Charles also answered the listener's question about the Russian engines and multiple small nozzles versus one large nozzle. Listen to what Charles had to say about this. As we moved to Segment 3, a question came in regarding the deficits being piled up in the country right now and why that would adversely impact space companies per a comment I said in the first segment. This led me to doabout a 25 minute quasi-Econ 101 lecture on deficits, inflation, printing money, tax policy and investing. I apologize in advance for running off on this subject and since it was off the top of my head, I did ramble. However, its an important topic and all of us should be able to understand how our current economic situation will likely impact space development, both in the private and the civil space program. If you would like a program on this subject, I will organize my thoughts much better and see if I can bring on an economist to help us examine what is happening and then apply this to businesses that have risk and need to attract capital. If this type of program interests you, please let me know. Also, if you have someone to suggest as the guest for this program, please forward your suggestion and contact information for this person to me. Throughout the show I encouraged people who continually invite themselves to be guests on the show to call in and tell us about themselves and their work. Unfortunately, they do not call in which is too bad. Again, the path for being on the show if you invite yourself is to first call and tell us about yourself and work in an open lines program. Many have done that and that is the path for being a guest in this situation. If you have any questions or comments about this Open Lines program, please contact me at drspace@thespaceshow.com. Selected by: David Livingston [ stations ], Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:34:01 UTC
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